Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3
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@Dan54 said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
Well recorded test and just finished watching, what a ripper it was, Couple of teams getting stuck in and playing good rugby, even Mrs Dan was sitting here saying what a good game and how much she was enjoying it! Have to say Cheika has got those Pumas in a fairly good place.
‘Good’ must be in the eye of the beholder, because I thought that was an error riddled match with two teams that were uncertain about getting the ball beyond their midfield.
Both played a very narrow attack.
Lots of offside play that went unpenalised. Loved the aggression and attack at the breakdown by both sides, but for me there wasn’t much more than that.
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@Steve said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
If the Argie had just missed the charge down today by a cigarette papers width, would he have been given a red?
Surely. Given the player actually charged down the kick is considerable mitigation. The issue is you shouldn't be taking a line straight at the kicker. I'd have been happy with a penalty to SA.
I see the usual potato heads are complaining that it's the same as the CJ Stander RC, but it's entirely different to my eyes. CJ leapt after the kick and was never in a position to make a charge down.
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@Dan54 said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
Well recorded test and just finished watching, what a ripper it was, Couple of teams getting stuck in and playing good rugby, even Mrs Dan was sitting here saying what a good game and how much she was enjoying it! Have to say Cheika has got those Pumas in a fairly good place.
Disagree completely. They look remarkably limited; spending almost all their energy securing ruck ball meaning there's almost no options presented to the defence.
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@ACT-Crusader I enjoyed the physicallity of it, I know I didn't have any skin in game, but even my wife enjoyed it!
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Interesting test match. Lots of passion and commitment from both teams. Unfortunately also lots of inaccuracy from both. If you were a neutral, probably a thrilling game to watch. Could have gone either way. The Boks will be grateful the Pumas missed a few penalty shots.
As a Bok fan, it was a frustrating. We just can't be that sloppy. I guess one could say it's all still build up for RWC but frankly I'd expect us to be in a better place by now.
Have to say I really feel for Grant Williams. Must have been so thrilled with a first test start only to last about 15 seconds before getting knocked out cold. Hope he's ok. That looked like a nasty blow.
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@Tordah said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
Argentina full back cited. It was basically the definition of "reckless".
Good and the correct decision
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
@Tordah said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
Argentina full back cited. It was basically the definition of "reckless".
Good and the correct decision
Except it should've been red in game, a bit late on the call!
Kirwan had an interesting take on how to card this, and high tackles, on Breakdown
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@Machpants said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
Kirwan had an interesting take on how to card this, and high tackles, on Breakdown
what was that?
My initial reaction was 'red' - but then I kinda got the argument that he charged down the ball. I didn't necessarily agree, but could see it.
It is a weird one; seems like there's only 'Red' or 'Play on' with nothing in between. There are some weird rules about players jumping though, highlighted in Lions 2 2017 with the final penalty...
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The league rules where you have to aim at the feet with a dive, not leap into the air and turn your hip into their head. The tackle one was make the card basically based on how low the tackler is. Not sure I totally agree. It's on YouTube, last ten mins or so
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So the Argentinian fullback got 2 week ban for cleaning out the Bokke 9.
Basically, they concluded that while he smoked the kicker, he charged the ball down, so it was a low end penalty. Honestly don't know what I think about it; it feels like a weird zone in the laws.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3-:
So the Argentinian fullback got 2 week ban for cleaning out the Bokke 9.
Basically, they concluded that while he smoked the kicker, he charged the ball down, so it was a low end penalty. Honestly don't know what I think about it; it feels like a weird zone in the laws.
Jesus, they really need to make their fucking minds up
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They have to sort out the risk reward ratio
Pronto
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3:
They have to sort out the risk reward ratio
Pronto
World Rugby just want to look like they're doing something, not actually doing something
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First time I've seen it.
Makes me think about players competing under a high ball.
Player jumping in has responsibility to protect players in position to catch the ball. You don't get a free pass just for keeping your eye on the ball.
Similar in a tackle. Players have responsibility to avoid the head.
Not sure if I have articulated That well.
That was reckless. Red and 4 weeks.
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such a shambles really, he actually made the charge down too, yet he has knocked someone out...
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@booboo said in Springboks v Pumas RC WK 3:
Player jumping in has responsibility to protect players in position to catch the ball. You don't get a free pass just for keeping your eye on the ball.
Yeah - wondering if the degree of responsibility needs to be tied to horizontal velocity. If you are stationary or moving slowly/jumping upwards, then you introduce low risk. People flying in at full speed and jumping are where the real risks happen - maybe that should be a contributing factor to responsibility.
Have not thought this through, just musing. The high ball work seems an absolute lottery at the moment.
