Argentina v All Blacks
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster i want Stevenson to start. BB can come off the bench for 10/15 cover. SS is a phenomenal athlete. We need to see him play. Also, an error from him will not cost the game. Of the games we've lost its because we've been collectively shit. If ever there is a time, it has to be now.
That’s my feeling with Stevenson too.
All this hand wringing about his downsides to me feels misplaced. The boy is a gun.
We could be 20-0 nil up after 30 minutes with his line breaks.
Get as many players on the pitch that cause them problems.
Stop worrying about whether he will shell a pass or miss a tackle.
It’s a bit like Beaudy back in the day. He had his obvious limitations but he had so much gas we were still winning games in spite of his inability to control a match.
We should let shooter loose and see what happens.
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@MN5 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
In the forwards, I noted Mils on The Breakdown had Codie Taylor penciled in to start, and that won't surprise me.
I reckon it might be:
de Groot, Taylor, Lomax
Retallick, Barrett
Frizell, Cane, SaveaTaukei'aho, Williams, Tu'ungafasi, Vaa'i, Papali'i
I hope big Tamaiti gets a run.
As previously, I'd like to see them start Scott at 6, Vaa'i at lock and that would allow Finau and Papali'i on the bench.
But, I suspect they won't.
I expect it’s going to be Ofa or Tamaiti, as mobile LHs. Laulala will be in 23.
Are they mobile or is that just compared to Laulala who is about as mobile as a statue on Easter island.
Yes!
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@Chester-Draws said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Friday NZ time. That's Thursday in Argentina (for most of the day).
Is it really though?
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@Bones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Good luck with your dating mate, it's a tough world out there.
Well, I've never had any problems...
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I would prefer Jordan if available and would like to see Stevenson too but he was only picked as injury cover so not sure Foz will trust him, hence my comments.
This year we will see Cane and BB as it is Foz as the main selector.
Next year we will see the new broom approach taken with Razor
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@DaGrubster WJ is in the side when fit. That's a given. But SS has been lighting up for the last couple of years. WJ isn't playing, BB just looks utter gash, and DMac provides cover. We need game breakers. Under Fozz-ball the team looks void of ideas and maybe a SS can spark that attack.
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@DaGrubster said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I would prefer Jordan if available and would like to see Stevenson too but he was only picked as injury cover so not sure Foz will trust him, hence my comments.
This year we will see Cane and BB as it is Foz as the main selector.
Next year we will see the new broom approach taken with Razor
Well Grubs, I think conservative will see BB at FB, not sure, but brains will see Cane at 7 as he the best we got clearly, especially for test rugby, but has been nest all super season. I also think you underestimate how much say Ryan gets in selecting forwards, unless he talks BS he gets pretty well the say in them.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster WJ is in the side when fit. That's a given. But SS has been lighting up for the last couple of years. WJ isn't playing, BB just looks utter gash, and DMac provides cover. We need game breakers. Under Fozz-ball the team looks void of ideas and maybe a SS can spark that attack.
This is the correct answer.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster WJ is in the side when fit. That's a given. But SS has been lighting up for the last couple of years. WJ isn't playing, BB just looks utter gash, and DMac provides cover. We need game breakers. Under Fozz-ball the team looks void of ideas and maybe a SS can spark that attack.
It's our inability to carry beyond the advantage line, secure and quickly recycle ball, and then make the outnumbered defenders make a bad decision that is the problem.
Selecting a fullback and hoping they can do something approaching individual game breaking brilliance is the problem.
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Problem with selecting SS is that he's had a week at most in the AB environment and two days of that has been spent sitting on planes.
Guys who've been starting for a year have tended to look a bit lost in our wide defensive system.
And we're already going to have to have Narawa on debut.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Problem with selecting SS is that he's had a week at most in the AB environment and two days of that has been spent sitting on planes.
Guys who've been starting for a year have tended to look a bit lost in our wide defensive system.
And we're already going to have to have Narawa on debut.
I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why I expect very little difference for the starting XV from last year. This is a tight turnaround with limited training time, and a fixture they'll want to win. More emphasis on getting the systems cemented for newbies would be the focus than playing time I'd expect.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Guys who've been starting for a year have tended to look a bit lost in our wide defensive system.
most have looked lost in our wide defensive system the past 4 or 5 years, particularly outside the 22.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@pakman Yeah - we've got to have someone who somehow covers 7 & 8.
Savea can cover 7 so no.8 is more important. If, eventually, SB plays at 6 then you can have two loosies on the bench. BUT one of those needs to be a physical 6.
Worse case scenario: Savea leaves the field early which means Frizell or Papalii plays at no.8 for the majority of the test.
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@Bovidae I'd rather not have to juggle the loosies if someone is forced off.
I really like Ethan as a bench option, because he can play all three positions competently.
If we have two loosies on the bench it opens up quite a lot of possibilities.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Bovidae I'd rather not have to juggle the loosies if someone is forced off.
I really like Ethan as a bench option, because he can play all three positions competently.
If we have two loosies on the bench it opens up quite a lot of possibilities.
That’s pretty true of Jacobson too, especially with Savea at 8.
It’d like to see Finau is all I know.
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@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster WJ is in the side when fit. That's a given. But SS has been lighting up for the last couple of years. WJ isn't playing, BB just looks utter gash, and DMac provides cover. We need game breakers. Under Fozz-ball the team looks void of ideas and maybe a SS can spark that attack.
It's our inability to carry beyond the advantage line, secure and quickly recycle ball, and then make the outnumbered defenders make a bad decision that is the problem.
Selecting a fullback and hoping they can do something approaching individual game breaking brilliance is the problem.
Hopefully we can get both.
