Crusaders 2024
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@SBW1 said in Crusaders 2024:
Will Penney last the season, remember what happened at the Tahs, surely we aren't going to persevere with him after that many losses?
NZ don't tend to kick coaches to touch mid season. Actually, has any NZ Super coach been sacked mid season?
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@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
Robertson's selections are also part of the problem. How did the Crusaders come into this season with their 10's being Burke, Kemara and Reihana? They've had odd selections squad at 10 for years, the obvious example being calling up Hickey.
How can the Crusaders have Cashmore in camp, have a close look at him, then pick Kemara and Reihana over him? It's clear who has the most upside.
Incidentally I think Hohepa has done better than the other two so far. He has better kicking from hand and he isn't afraid to stand flatter. Will Penney keep him in the 23 when everyone is fit?
Yeah I have wondered about some of the Crusader squad selections over the years but I can sort of get the situation the Saders find themselves in at 10 this season. There has been a dearth at 10 depth in NZ for a while. I think it's a case of the eggs being in the Burke basket and that back fired when he got injured.
I haven't seen a lot of Cashmore, is he really that much better than what the Saders have or he much of a muchness?
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@george33 said in Crusaders 2024:
@Grooter that would be a kick in the guts for the crusaders if that rumour turns out being true
Unfortunately, given NZ's lack of options at 10, a bit of a worry at the national level too. When fit and firing he would only be an injury or two away from getting a run for the ABs.
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I think the other sides are in a better position at 10 though?
Chiefs: McKenzie, Ioane & Trask. Then they call up NPC player of the year Jacomb (another guy the Crusaders could've recruited)
Blues: Perofeta, Cashmore, Plummer, the mythical ability of Sullivan and maybe Barrett
Canes: They've been going well with Cameron, Godrey, Morgan & utility ability from Barrett & Love
Highlanders went for a Welshman but Ajay seem like a good bet for the future. Not sure about Millar
The Chiefs barely gave Reihana game time and I doubt anyone was in a rush to sign Kemara?
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@george33 said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris David Havilli didn't look good maybe out also, why don't the crusaders play McLeod in midfield?, Aumua looks lost to me ,
Yeah Calf strain at least 3 or 4 weeks.
McLeod may get his chance now he did play 2nd five against the chiefs and had a shocker.
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@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
I think the other sides are in a better position at 10 though?
Chiefs: McKenzie, Ioane & Trask. Then they call up NPC player of the year Jacomb (another guy the Crusaders could've recruited)
Blues: Perofeta, Cashmore, Plummer, the mythical ability of Sullivan and maybe Barrett
Canes: They've been going well with Cameron, Godrey, Morgan & utility ability from Barrett & Love
Highlanders went for a Welshman but Ajay seem like a good bet for the future. Not sure about Millar
The Chiefs barely gave Reihana game time and I doubt anyone was in a rush to sign Kemara?
Agree the other teams look better at 10, but realistically what options did the Saders actually have? I don't know how the contracting works and who may have turned the Saders down. Jacomb was uncontracted wasn't he(?) so he might have been a missed opportunity. Who knows he may have said no thanks.
Speaking of players saying no, I have been a bit concerned at the number of players who apparently turned down advances from the Saders the last few years.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
Speaking of players saying no, I have been a bit concerned at the number of players who apparently turned down advances from the Saders the last few years.
It's quite possible that a number of them thought they had better prospects of getting on the field in other franchises. When Mo'unga's fit, you know you're not making the 23.
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@antipodean said in Crusaders 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
Speaking of players saying no, I have been a bit concerned at the number of players who apparently turned down advances from the Saders the last few years.
It's quite possible that a number of them thought they had better prospects of getting on the field in other franchises. When Mo'unga's fit, you know you're not making the 23.
That would definitely be a factor for some players.
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Yeah that would be a factor
My main point is that it is not all Penney. Yes he’s shit. There have been recruitment problems, the quality coming out of the Canterbury system has dropped back to the pack. Plus the players aren’t performing. Some appear in poor physical shape (attitude?)
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@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
Yeah that would be a factor
My main point is that it is not all Penney. Yes he’s shit. There have been recruitment problems, the quality coming out of the Canterbury system has dropped back to the pack. Plus the players aren’t performing. Some appear in poor physical shape (attitude?)
I have read on here a couple of times the last few days about some Saders appearing out of shape. I haven't noticed it myself. I am not disputing it, but who is looking unfit compared to previous seasons?
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@Crazy-Horse Grace in particular
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@Chris Far out when it rains it pours doesn't it? I know the feeling being a Blues supporter (was like this for us in the 2010s in particular and a fair bit in the 2000s).
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@African-Monkey said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris Far out when it rains it pours doesn't it? I know the feeling being a Blues supporter (was like this for us in the 2010s in particular and a fair bit in the 2000s).
Yeah Mate the wheels and the rims have fallen off I think we are driving on the belly now
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
Yeah that would be a factor
My main point is that it is not all Penney. Yes he’s shit. There have been recruitment problems, the quality coming out of the Canterbury system has dropped back to the pack. Plus the players aren’t performing. Some appear in poor physical shape (attitude?)
I have read on here a couple of times the last few days about some Saders appearing out of shape. I haven't noticed it myself. I am not disputing it, but who is looking unfit compared to previous seasons?
Grace and Christie and Moody and Heinz and Havili and Aumua for a start, Actually Reece might be the only one looking fitter
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@Nevorian If Christie is so unfit he has done well to currently be the comps top tackler with 111 in 5 games, 31 more than the second best (Bell also from the Crusaders, with Harmon 3rd with 78).
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@Nevorian said in Crusaders 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
Yeah that would be a factor
My main point is that it is not all Penney. Yes he’s shit. There have been recruitment problems, the quality coming out of the Canterbury system has dropped back to the pack. Plus the players aren’t performing. Some appear in poor physical shape (attitude?)
I have read on here a couple of times the last few days about some Saders appearing out of shape. I haven't noticed it myself. I am not disputing it, but who is looking unfit compared to previous seasons?
Grace and Christie and Moody and Heinz and Havili and Aumua for a start, Actually Reece might be the only one looking fitter
If true, you'd think those guys would be experienced enough to know what's required.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
@Nevorian said in Crusaders 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
@Duluth said in Crusaders 2024:
Yeah that would be a factor
My main point is that it is not all Penney. Yes he’s shit. There have been recruitment problems, the quality coming out of the Canterbury system has dropped back to the pack. Plus the players aren’t performing. Some appear in poor physical shape (attitude?)
I have read on here a couple of times the last few days about some Saders appearing out of shape. I haven't noticed it myself. I am not disputing it, but who is looking unfit compared to previous seasons?
Grace and Christie and Moody and Heinz and Havili and Aumua for a start, Actually Reece might be the only one looking fitter
If true, you'd think those guys would be experienced enough to know what's required.
Yeah, they know when the business end of the season is...
