Crusaders 2024
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
Ok I have not said much when we signed Crotty,Halfpenny,Heinz then Franks
Was not impressed
Then McNicol now Arnold well I can now confirm Rob Penny,James Marshall especially have completely lost the plot.Can you please inform me why James Marshall and Dan Perrin got appointed Crusaders assistants? They have lead Ta$man to 7th, 8th, 7th since they've been there, they have lost far more games than they've won and the Mako$ have looked abysmally coached under their watch. It just doesn't make any sense to me, they haven't got a coaching record that justifies their roles.
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@ruggabee said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
Ok I have not said much when we signed Crotty,Halfpenny,Heinz then Franks
Was not impressed
Then McNicol now Arnold well I can now confirm Rob Penny,James Marshall especially have completely lost the plot.Can you please inform me why James Marshall and Dan Perrin got appointed Crusaders as assistants? They have lead Ta$man to 7th, 8th, 7th since they've been there, they have lost far more games than they've won and the Mako$ have looked abysmally coached under their watch. It just doesn't make any sense to me, they haven't got a coaching record that justifies their roles.
I don’t know why to be honest,
I thought they were bad decisions at the time.
Razor Scott Hansen and Tamiti Ellison were the real brains of the operation over the last few years. -
@African-Monkey said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris That would be nice as yes, we all have our teams we love and hate, but for a powerhouse franchise, we need them to be bringing through talent as it benefits our national team going forward, as opposed to their pathways being blocked by a bunch of 70 year Olds.
Surely just playing the younger crop will have a bit of short term pain but end up with long term gain?
Yep 100% that is what I would be doing.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
@ruggabee said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
Ok I have not said much when we signed Crotty,Halfpenny,Heinz then Franks
Was not impressed
Then McNicol now Arnold well I can now confirm Rob Penny,James Marshall especially have completely lost the plot.Can you please inform me why James Marshall and Dan Perrin got appointed Crusaders as assistants? They have lead Ta$man to 7th, 8th, 7th since they've been there, they have lost far more games than they've won and the Mako$ have looked abysmally coached under their watch. It just doesn't make any sense to me, they haven't got a coaching record that justifies their roles.
I don’t know why to be honest,
I thought they were bad decisions at the time.
Razor Scott Hansen and Tamiti Ellison were the real brains of the operation over the last few years.Interesting that Ellison is also part of the All Black's coaching staff now, he seems highly rated by Razor.
I guess it begs the question for me does he continue his current position (All Black's tackle & breakdown coach) if he gets the Crusaders head job in 2026 - as most people assume will happen? Hard to imagine that one could manage the workload of both?
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@ruggabee said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
@ruggabee said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2024:
Ok I have not said much when we signed Crotty,Halfpenny,Heinz then Franks
Was not impressed
Then McNicol now Arnold well I can now confirm Rob Penny,James Marshall especially have completely lost the plot.Can you please inform me why James Marshall and Dan Perrin got appointed Crusaders as assistants? They have lead Ta$man to 7th, 8th, 7th since they've been there, they have lost far more games than they've won and the Mako$ have looked abysmally coached under their watch. It just doesn't make any sense to me, they haven't got a coaching record that justifies their roles.
I don’t know why to be honest,
I thought they were bad decisions at the time.
Razor Scott Hansen and Tamiti Ellison were the real brains of the operation over the last few years.Interesting that Ellison is also part of the All Black's coaching staff now, he seems highly rated by Razor.
I guess it begs the question for me does he continue his current position (All Black's tackle & breakdown coach) if he gets the Crusaders head job in 2026 - as most people assume will happen? Hard to imagine that one could manage the workload of both?
You would think he would not stay on with the ABs but take up the HC Crusaders role for long term gain as a HC.
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@chimoaus said in Crusaders 2024:
@SBW1 said in Crusaders 2024:
They got rid of Rob Penney after 6 straight losses at the Tahs, surely we aren't going to wait that long.
The man must be a bloody good salesman to somehow get the job based on his record.
Seems that your record in pro rugby coaching is irrelevant, once you are in you are in.
See latest incarnation of Jones and Gatland
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Who was Penny against for the job? (cant remember)
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Just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if this is a sign that the losses to MLR etc are starting to bite at the next level down.
Maybe there is a shortage of players deemed physically up to Super Rugby. It's all very well wanting to throw in some youngsters but if they are not physically ready it could be counter productive.
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@Crazy-Horse On the Arnold signing, do they really need him when they already have Blair and Heremaia Murray, Jone Rova, Manasa Mataele etc. waiting in the wings? Add to that Johnny McNicholl who was signed.
I know they have a heavy injury toll but I haven't heard anything about those guys being injured?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
Just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if this is a sign that the losses to MLR etc are starting to bite at the next level down.
Maybe there is a shortage of players deemed physically up to Super Rugby. It's all very well wanting to throw in some youngsters but if they are not physically ready it could be counter productive.
Maybe it’s hitting the Crusaders harder than others but there does seem to be a lot of part timers, old players returning and even overseas born players this year in super rugby. Perhaps our depth isn’t quite what it used to be.
Crusaders are starting to resemble the Force, just buy lots of random players and hope they work together somehow.
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@African-Monkey said in Crusaders 2024:
@Crazy-Horse On the Arnold signing, do they really need him when they already have Blair and Heremaia Murray, Jone Rova, Manasa Mataele etc. waiting in the wings? Add to that Johnny McNicholl who was signed.
I know they have a heavy injury toll but I haven't heard anything about those guys being injured?
Yeah I don't know about them, but just because he is signed doesn't mean he will necessarily play ahead of them. At least I hope not. I am hoping he is just a worst case scenario signing.
I have a very faint memory of him and didn't bother reading the article too closely (was it even an article), but wasn't Arnold a 10 at some stage?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
Just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if this is a sign that the losses to MLR etc are starting to bite at the next level down.
Maybe there is a shortage of players deemed physically up to Super Rugby. It's all very well wanting to throw in some youngsters but if they are not physically ready it could be counter productive.
Totally disagree,Super Rugby is a faster game now than it was even last season.
And we bring in 36 and 33 year old outside backs.
We have Fihaki,Reece,Springer,Murray,Mataele also McLeod can cover wing all are not injured.
We have Taine Robinson and Blair Murray who have been training with the squad since December playing pre season games.Cooper Roberts a u/20 player has been training with them and Jack Gray another young wing from Ta$man went on the tour to Munster and Bristol.
Really short sighted selections picking these old players who will be to slow for the modern SR game.
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@Chris yeah I don't know, but while the game might be faster the players are still bigger etc.
Not saying the decision was right to sign a player like Arnold, I was just trying to think of why.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris yeah I don't know, but while the game might be faster the players are still bigger etc.
Not saying the decision was right to sign a player like Arnold, I was just trying to think of why.
Yeah but we are not talking about tight five Loose forwards or MF backs where the major collisions are,we are talking about outside backs young guys who can cover the outside gaps and if put in to space have pace to finish something off.
36 and 33 year old backs look like weak points to me.
Most outside backs are really young when they make SR then peak early by the time a outside back is 28 to 30 their time could be done, -
I think it says a lot about how team management are viewing the on field decision making that they want experience out there.
I fear the real root cause is that the team cant get to grips with the new structures and the young guys are struggling with that AND coping with the step up to SR. As noted there are plenty of the last two years pack there but its just not coming together .... and still looks like preseason play.
