Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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I think the ref abuse is crap, but anyone thinking it only Chiefs fans that are idiots have short memories. Ask Wayne Barnes! Asl Rayanal etc etc, see we live in this virtual world where it is considered ok to abuse officials, administrators and players. Too f***en many from wherever in world are gutless wonders who hide behind keyboards or in crowds. Christ I sat at tests for a couple of years when Quade Cooper was the subject of booing etc, I never had a problem telling the ones around me that did it I thought it was crap etc, got the odd comment bac but normally just nothing!
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It's a most interesting phenomenon on rugby threads should there be a tight game with debatable refereeing decisions.
The team on the winning side immediately leap to the refs defense, the system, the application, the standard are all perfect and the people saying otherwise are just sore losers.
And on the other side of course the entire system is broken in terms of blatant favoritism and needs urgent review.
The ironical part is that when the situation is reversed those who not long ago leapt to the defense of the referees and all systems involved upon their team losing descend upon them with the exact same ire the "sore losers" displayed previously. And all the "sore losers" then leap to the defense of the referee and all system involved as once again being perfect.
We all know the truth lies somewhere in the middle and neither side really does themselves any favors. With such attitudes all debate is rendered useless as the "side your on" depends entirety on the outcome of the game and nothing to do at all with the actual quality of the refs/refereeing systems performance.
It's ridiculous to expect that the ref does not have an influence on the game.
It's equally ridiculous to expect that we will ever make a perfect system - unless we do away with refs entirely and use robots to do it.
The "rub of the green" is one of those intangibles in sport that we know has an effect on the game but you can't control it on the day. One day you will get the 50/50 calls, the other you wont. You hope over time it simply balances out. It's all part of sport which makes it unpredictable and interesting and results in upsets we might not otherwise predict.
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O’Keeffe said he’d received a call from McMillan after the match. ”Clayton McMillan was excellent, he called me to see how I was, that was the first thing he wanted to worry about, nothing about the game, and I truly respect the man for doing that,” he told SENZ, adding younger referees around New Zealand had thanked him for speaking up. -
@Toddy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
ffs.. way to get sucked into clickbait.. especially some from Reason.
chiefs have co-captains - cane did the post match on field, webby did the after match.
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@WillieTheWaiter I never saw the press conference and there are a couple of reports noting that the Chiefs players were too distraught to attend so McMillian went on his own.
If Weber went then good on him for fronting and it gives Cane a genuine reason not to be there.
Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan entered the post-match press conference, no captain by his side, noting his players were that upset that he had opted to come alone.
Appears that if Weber went then Stuff may have forgotten he was co-captain (not surprising).
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Clayton McMillan - good on him
I hope the criticism of Sam Cane isn't personal or hyperbole.
I don't prefer him as AB captain and not convinced he was top 7 in NZ last year but he is a great player for the Chiefs and given his all for the ABs.
I'd be interested in any stats on the 7s speed to rucks etc this year in the Super. I suspect Cane is a little quicker than he was last year. -
@Windows97 On the contrary...
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5006/waikato-v-tasman-premiership-final/101?page=6
Here you see a perfect example of gracious losing - the previous page notes discussion of some contentious calls - though not by me.
Much like the Chiefs we died of self-inflicted wounds that night!
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@WillieTheWaiter I didnt see the McMillan post game presser, but I distinctly remember both Cane and Weber doing on field interviews. Weber’s one was quite emotional.
I think if there are co-captains they should both attend the post game presser. It’s probably a good way to share the questions and limit the pressure on one player.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Toddy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
ffs.. way to get sucked into clickbait.. especially some from Reason.
chiefs have co-captains - cane did the post match on field, webby did the after match.
Yep Willie, haven't read it as I won't help clickbait journos like Reason, but I saw someone who looked an asful lot Cane being interviewed post match, and pointed that out to someone who then said oh I wasn't watching after game properly!!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@WillieTheWaiter I didnt see the McMillan post game presser, but I distinctly remember both Cane and Weber doing on field interviews. Weber’s one was quite emotional.
I think if there are co-captains they should both attend the post game presser. It’s probably a good way to share the questions and limit the pressure on one player.
Unless of course the Coach tells them to give it a miss.
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@Dan54 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I think the ref abuse is crap, but anyone thinking it only Chiefs fans that are idiots have short memories. Ask Wayne Barnes! Asl Rayanal etc etc, see we live in this virtual world where it is considered ok to abuse officials, administrators and players. Too f***en many from wherever in world are gutless wonders who hide behind keyboards or in crowds. Christ I sat at tests for a couple of years when Quade Cooper was the subject of booing etc, I never had a problem telling the ones around me that did it I thought it was crap etc, got the odd comment bac but normally just nothing!
yeah, hasn;t been a fun thread to catch up on, definitely some examples of poor winners and poor losers
I have to say i know the 2015 result was controversial too but the wellington fans seemed to be either just disappointed or reasonably friendly banter, dont remember full on abuse, all pretty gracious "losers"
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what a shame. As a neutral I thought it was a well-coached, high skill and energy game!
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@Bones said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@kiwi_expat said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders (poll in first post):
@Damo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders (poll in first post):
Crusaders in a canter. They just have a knack of coming good this time of year.
Blues were poor last week, but mainly Crusaders were good.
Nah, Crusaders played their final last week, can't see them backing up such a performance, Chiefs didn't really fire against the Reds & Brumbies, so I have a strong feeling Chiefs will put it all together for the final.
And if Razor manages to beat them, despite all that and them having to ask his old school friend's nephew's class to play because of injury, Razor will ascend into rugby heaven.
@Bones Did you know something we didn't? Have you been inside Crusaders camp all along?
A beaming Scott Robertson sure looked like he was in “seventh heaven” as he strode through Christchurch Airport, mission accomplished.
“This year, we wanted to go to heaven, seventh heaven. And we realised to go to heaven you’ve got to have immortals in your team, and we’ve got a lot, we believe,” Robertson said, revealing part of this year’s theme which drove the team.
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@KiwiMurph Really glad to hear that.
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@KiwiMurph said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
O’Keeffe said he’d received a call from McMillan after the match. ”Clayton McMillan was excellent, he called me to see how I was, that was the first thing he wanted to worry about, nothing about the game, and I truly respect the man for doing that,” he told SENZ, adding younger referees around New Zealand had thanked him for speaking up.That's a good article, up until this year (and completely setting aside this match) both him and Gardner seemed the best of an average SH bunch to me (I know some think they're terrible), but I thought they've both been below their usual standards this year.
I just did a rewatch, I'd watched the first half on my phone at the pub so missed some of it, and it's the little things that annoy me personally (rather than the big ones making the media), which is the issue I've had with him overall this year.
In saying all that I think he's handled himself really well in all this and he comes across very professional and thoughtful about the job.
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@Tim said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Sam Cane being a has been shithouse player, who would not be in any other tier one XV
What tier one team would Cane start for? None. He is shit.
Plenty
Easier to say who he wouldn’t play for at either 6 or 7
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@Chris-B said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Windows97 On the contrary...
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5006/waikato-v-tasman-premiership-final/101?page=6
Here you see a perfect example of gracious losing - the previous page notes discussion of some contentious calls - though not by me.
Much like the Chiefs we died of self-inflicted wounds that night!
Depends on the circumstances. Wellington has been on the wrong side of of lopsided reffing and have been pissed off. Same with the AB
This game with a one sided penalty count and likewise yellow cards. And a badly missed forward pass. And also a close game. Fans from the losing side were always going to be annoyed
But if my team lose and the reffing is fair I just accept the better team won and move on.
In this game I thought the better team lost. Whether it was due to poor discipline or biased reffing I just don't know. But can understand why chiefs fabs are annoyed. It's good to see some strong feelings from the fans but some have gone too far. As NZ fans did with Barnes
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