Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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NZ has some great young props. Williams was great tonight.
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Man the takes in here are amusing...
As a neutral I enjoyed the game, thought the ref missed bits (both ways) and in a game as tight as this, easy to say they influenced the outcome, but at the end of the day, the Crusaders barred up when it counted most, a number of Chiefs went missing at crucial times.
The men you wanted to step up for the Crusaders did, the ones that needed to step up for the chiefs, didn't.
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Pressure from the Crusaders was immense with magic lineout mojo, overall a titanic struggle and I just hope we get that intensity and tackling quality into the ABs. Gotta agree with Bones though, in the first half it looked to me that the Chiefs only had one lock on the field. The Chiefs backs were great.
Goodhue was committed but not the same as old, and as for Ennor, he only/always seems to play like that when I am watching. It must be my fault.
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@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
TMO can't come in for those calls any more. (I think.)
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@Cyclops said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
They're up there for sure. Liverpool and the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 70s/80s, Rabbitohs in the 50s/60s, Man U in the 90s, Celtic in the 2010s, Canterbury in the 2010s all pretty impressive records. Probably a bunch more football teams in other leagues.
@Damo
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@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@ploughboy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
and the missed forward pass changed the game
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
Gutted for Weber, Nankivell and PGS especially.
All Gardner had to do was send a message to BOK, and he could have called play back.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Whereas the Chiefs were denied a try by the same group on quite technical grounds.
Chiefs supporter here.
You talking Narawa off DMac?
He was about 4m offside. Hard to whinge about.
Bit like checking if the chaser is in front of the kicker.
That's technical too.
Laws aren't guidelines or gut feel.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The glaring forward pass at 36, ought to have been picked up by touchies or TMO
As above, pretty sure TMO can't dive in to make those calls anymore.
Touchie (Angus) should have picked it up.
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@Billy-Tell said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
NZ has some great young props. Williams was great tonight.
Yeah. Was dubious about him. Was wondering if he was going to be one of those guys who has always been the biggest so never learned to try hard.
But it looks like he's got the workrate and wants to use his power.
Becoming a fan.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@TJ said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman ah, the forward pass that lead to a Crusaders lineout near halfway was the crucial game changing decision that warrants all the complaining?
Should've been picked up for sure, but there were a lot of other things that the Chiefs had to get wrong to turn that into a try.
You've got your mind set on being a victim tonight so I'll leave you to that.
No. The point is that if we are going to embrace technology we need to do it properly, in particular in finals.
Either both second Narawa and Mo'unga tries get scrubbed because the officials are competent, or both let stand incorrectly.
That was a 14 point swing, which in a nutshell was the ballgame.
If you can't grasp that, I'm afraid I'll have to leave you to your ignorant bliss.
How far do you want to take it though. The forward pass was several plays before Mo'unga scored. They didn't score directly from it.
The point is, the Chiefs didn't defend well enough from that situation. The missed forward pass is no different to the not-straight lineout through from the Chiefs with 3 minutes to go. Scott Barrett knocked it on and the Chiefs got the ball back. The difference is the Chiefs shat the bed and went back 40 metres whereas the Crusaders took their chance and scored. It's not all about the referees, there are players out there. The Chiefs just weren't good enough.
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@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Becoming a fan.
The thought of The Mighty Williams, Sami T and another earnest big bopper in the front row is damn exciting!
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How fucking stubborn were the Crusaders? It remined me of the old days when the ABs could get a win even when the other team were looking the 'better' team. Jeez I hope Robertson can get the ABs playing like that.
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@Dan54 The sentimental call to give Sam Whitelock MotM, but I would have given it to Scott. When the Chiefs got on top early in the second half, SB was instrumental in turning the momentum.
Discipline obviously a key point of difference in that game, but the Crusaders also seemed to have a plan to starve the Chiefs of set piece possession by not kicking the ball out. The odd time they had to they competed like madmen in the lineout. Resulted in an edge in territory and possession.
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats - seems like ESPN only had the work experience kid on the job?
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@Bovidae will be very interesting to see what he does with the captaincy.
DP is a leader, but more just a follow me type, not sure he's got it if needed to dig in and change things, unlikely Cane be it, we know whitelock won't be...how much longer will Barrett stick around, will that be a carrot?
Otherwise who then?
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@Billy-Tell said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
NZ has some great young props. Williams was great tonight.
Interesting player , on the back of a few seasons where we have been accused of being outmuscled by opposition packs, he looks a bit of what we require
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@Chris-B said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats
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