Ashes 2023
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
Great win. Can't quite believe we pulled it off. I've watched the Aussie cricket team on the losing end of these sorts of matches more times than I can count, as the bowling side and the batting side.
Jeez it feels like England lost the unloseable test though. At 8/390 on the afternoon of day 1, how do you lose a four day test?
For all the thrashing about Bazball, it's just poor cricket not to escape with at least a draw…
…Because while it's fun to play reckless cricket, I'd rather be 0-0 than 1-0 down.
For sure but in the past England would have gone meekly looking for a draw and still been in with a good chance of losing but zero chance of winning. We’ve had much previous criticism of not being aggressive enough and rightly so. For now I’m very happy with the overall approach but gnash my teeth about some of the individual actions. Finding a balance will be key, but for now, as an Englishman I’m just enjoying the journey (c: J Mitchell. 2003).
I see what you mean, but it's not like England were hopeless before McCullum came along. They haven't lost a home Ashes since 2002.
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian dunno, this post seems very good with the benefit of hindsight
But when they had Aus 8/220 needing 280, and only the bowlers left, at that point you could easily have said they had played it perfect
Undone by a 60 run 9th wicket partnership. I think that says less about approach and more about options available in the attack
Yep fair point. But I think there's a world where an Australian victory is off the table at that point as a possible outcome. All hypothetical I suppose.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
@Duluth said in Ashes 2023:
Maybe see what Starc can do in the next Test?
Will depend on the pitch. Slope at Lords is always interesting.
Changing horses mid race tho? 🤔
Starc is a very good bowler but behind Hazelwood and Cummins. Gives that nice left handed variation though.
Handy low order batsman too which should be a factor in selection.
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2023:
Can't be many Tests in recent years where Australia win with Labuschagne and Smith contributing only 35 runs.
Yep. Both due massive scores this series which should worry England.
….and I’m probably the only one saying this but I reckon Warner is due too.
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Cricket doesn't do much for me anymore, but have to admit enjoyed that last day. Might even follow the Lord's Test more closely as this series has all the elements of 2005.
And Ollie Roberson & McCullum seem to like being hostages to fortune:
Robinson revealed that, so buoyant were England after the two-wicket defeat at 7.21pm on day five, the head coach Brendon McCullum said it felt like a victory.
“Baz said it after the game, ‘It feels like we’ve won, lads’. We’ve entertained the world, and we’ve put the Aussies on the back foot. For him to say that after a loss is quite significant for us.
“We were surprised to see Australia so defensive from ball one. You just don’t see the Australians cautious and on the back foot like that. As soon as we saw the field for that first over, we felt like we had a hold on them.
“And then came that first shot from Zak Crawley. Broady [Stuart Broad] said it’s his favourite ever Ashes moment. The noise, the sound, the crowd, it was just amazing to witness, and the roar in the dressing room was so loud, you’d have thought we’d won the series already.
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He definitely needs to wind his neck in.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
He definitely needs to wind his neck in.
Just a little. Find the right balance between aggression and cleverness.
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In the women's ashes at Trent Bridge the bat looks to be dominating.
AUS Women beat ENG Women, AUS Women won by 89 runs
AUS-W 463 & 178 vs ENG-W 473 & 257 - AUS Women won by 89 runs in Nottingham, Women's Ashes 2023, June 22 - 26, 2023
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Interesting comments from Jimmy.
"This is an Ashes series. It is a big deal," Anderson wrote in his column in The Telegraph. "When you play on a flat pitch like the one at Edgbaston and take a wicket, a bit more emotion does come out because you have worked extra hard for it.
"That pitch was like kryptonite for me. There was not much swing, no reverse swing, no seam movement, no bounce and no pace. I've tried over the years to hone my skills so I can bowl in any conditions but everything I tried made no difference. I felt like I was fighting an uphill battle. It's a long series and hopefully, I can contribute at some point, but if all the pitches are like that I'm done in the Ashes series."
In full: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/the-ashes-2023-anderson-edgbaston-pitch-kryptonite-1383263
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
Robinson is such a flog.
Is he compared to guys of the past or does social media make him seem more of one ?
Maybe everyone was a flog, but didn't have twitter to prove it?
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Some of the English comments have been incredible to read. Ollie Robinson's Wisden article is an all-timer. This part merits a mention:
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, we’ve made the game what it was. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We played all the cricket in the game. If it wasn’t for us, the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance to win.
If it wasn't for England, Australia couldn't have won. It's an odd way to look at it, even if I kind of get what he's trying to say. But he goes on:
We were surprised by how defensive Australia were and how unwilling they were to go toe-to-toe with us. Obviously it’s worked for them this Test match. But we feel that with the way they’re playing at the moment, a pitch with a bit more movement would benefit us hugely. Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads.” We’ve entertained the world, and we’ve put the Aussies on the back foot.
It's funny they see Australia's unwillingness to also play Bazball as some sort of failure. To me it's actually why we won. England WANT you to play Bazball, to keep the fields up, to try and make it a sprint race. They didn't take the bait and in the end it worked for them.
Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they need to change their approach to keep up with how we’re going to play. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to benefit us hugely.
Hang on, the ECB ordered the flat deck but now you want a green top?
I'd think Cummins, Hazelwood and Boland would go pretty well on a green top too...
I enjoy the opinion, better than the cliches etc etc. But if an Aussie cricketer wrote an article like that after a loss I'd cringe pretty hard.
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