Super Rugby 2024

Kiwiwomble

@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:

The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.

Blues: average attendance of 21k
Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5k

back on attendances, ive seen this info graphic going around

im sure cost of living is a factor....but with the Warriors going up you have to wonder how much of a factor

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Canes4life

@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:

The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.

Blues: average attendance of 21k
Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5k

back on attendances, ive seen this info graphic going around

im sure cost of living is a factor....but with the Warriors going up you have to wonder how much of a factor

Man, Super Rugby was awesome in the early 2000s. Take me back.

antipodean

@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:

The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.

Blues: average attendance of 21k
Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5k

back on attendances, ive seen this info graphic going around

im sure cost of living is a factor....but with the Warriors going up you have to wonder how much of a factor

Graphic is utterly worthless when people select arbitrary dates to make comparisons against and exclude data. People like that should be sterilised for the benefit of mankind.

Kiwiwomble

@antipodean that seems little extreme, doesnt seem like a crazy date to look at as early 2000's often refereed to as when super rugby was at its best. its also comparing NRL from the same time period so seems like a starting point to talk about what changed to see league attendances improve whilst super rugby has declined

its just the start of a discussion, not claiming to be a definitive conclusion

antipodean

@Kiwiwomble For it to have value the Oz and NZ SR crowds would be from the same year. It wouldn't miss a sizeable input (the Blues who are in the final for this year). It would also not include a comparison for a team that has only played half a season and contrast it against a season where they came sixth, making the finals. Let's see what the Warriors' crowd is like if they continue their slide down the ladder.

I don't see what value it adds to any discussion.

Kiwiwomble

@antipodean ok, you're welcome to ignore

I was more interested in the 2003 figures as we'd already working our some rough numbers for this year, including the blues, earlier in the thread

antipodean

So you're comparing a different contest that had the benefit of South African crowds to a season rebuilding from covid absence with the "crowds" of Moana Pacifica, Drua, Force and Rebels as direct replacements? What discussion leads from that?

Nepia

@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

im sure cost of living is a factor....but with the Warriors going up you have to wonder how much of a factor

The Blues have a fairly similar average to the Warriors which is the real direct head-to-head. Actually, for more perspective on the sizes, let's say you have a born and bred Cantab living in Auckland who is a rugby and league fan. He's likely going to go to Warriors matches because that's his team, he's less likely to go to Blues matches when they're not playing the inbreds because those aren't his teams.

Also, the Warriors built their crowds on discounted tickets which means their revenue is quite low. (Me stating this is not a criticism of this plan as it worked really well for them as a hype train method, especially with a fawning media.)

At any rate comparing crowds know to the golden age of Super is pretty futile, we know that there's been a decrease in fan attendance at games (this was happening way before Covid), but Sky have said multiple times (TJ has said it on air) that TV audiences are good.

antipodean

@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:

At any rate comparing crowds know to the golden age of Super is pretty futile, we know that there's been a decrease in fan attendance at games (this was happening way before Covid), but Sky have said multiple times (TJ has said it on air) that TV audiences are good.

It's well established the bums on seats metric isn't worth as much as TV viewership. That being said a balance needs to be struck so both are healthy.

SA isn't coming back (they like playing in URC) and Australia's administration is clearly swimming upstream. Hopefully the Rebels' demise makes the others more competitive.

nzzp

@Nepia are their seats really discounted? Season tickets sure, but full price tickets were usually more than rugby I thought

Nepia

@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:

@Nepia are their seats really discounted? Season tickets sure, but full price tickets were usually more than rugby I thought

They definitely were last year, not sure about this year.

I think the highest Warriors ticket when I last looked is $50 and cheapest Adult stand ticket is $20 (I had a mate going for $10 last year). Not sure what the highest Blues tickets were?