QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Machpants said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
No class, unlike his Captain
Story doesn't really match the headline.
Could be reporting emphasis but what he is saying is correct.
Just questioning whether the process is correct if TMO can't answer open question.
If he was really pissy he should have asked why TMO didn't look at the tackler being offside or the illegal slowing of the ball at the ruck just before.
However TMO should have also flagged Jordie as being too dumb
Fair point that the headline doesn't exactly match the story. I still think it was classless from Holland. Even if the referee asks "try, yes or no", the correct call is still held up. There was no definite angle where he grounded the ball.
It also goes without saying that the TMO wasn't brought into the game to remove contentious decisions. Rugby is a game of perspective and people can have different perspectives for different tries. The TMO gets rid of howlers and does a good job at that.
I don't see anything classless about what he said. Good to heat a bit of honesty for a change. It's better than the sanitised bullshit we mostly get nowadays.
Nah this is utter bollocks, unless he has x-ray vision - bullshit
Holland said there was “no doubt” in his mind that Savea scored.
“Ardie scored the try, there’s no doubt about that but it’s a good one to figure out about TMOs. Is it about speeding the game up or is it about getting it right?
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@Machpants said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Machpants said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
No class, unlike his Captain
Story doesn't really match the headline.
Could be reporting emphasis but what he is saying is correct.
Just questioning whether the process is correct if TMO can't answer open question.
If he was really pissy he should have asked why TMO didn't look at the tackler being offside or the illegal slowing of the ball at the ruck just before.
However TMO should have also flagged Jordie as being too dumbFair point that the headline doesn't exactly match the story. I still think it was classless from Holland. Even if the referee asks "try, yes or no", the correct call is still held up. There was no definite angle where he grounded the ball.
It also goes without saying that the TMO wasn't brought into the game to remove contentious decisions. Rugby is a game of perspective and people can have different perspectives for different tries. The TMO gets rid of howlers and does a good job at that.
I don't see anything classless about what he said. Good to heat a bit of honesty for a change. It's better than the sanitised bullshit we mostly get nowadays.
Nah this is utter bollocks, unless he has x-ray vision - bullshit
Holland said there was “no doubt” in his mind that Savea scored.
“Ardie scored the try, there’s no doubt about that but it’s a good one to figure out about TMOs. Is it about speeding the game up or is it about getting it right?
The footage combined with Ardie saying he scored is probably enough for him to have no doubt. So he shouldn't believe Ardie?
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Machpants said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Machpants said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
No class, unlike his Captain
Story doesn't really match the headline.
Could be reporting emphasis but what he is saying is correct.
Just questioning whether the process is correct if TMO can't answer open question.
If he was really pissy he should have asked why TMO didn't look at the tackler being offside or the illegal slowing of the ball at the ruck just before.
However TMO should have also flagged Jordie as being too dumbFair point that the headline doesn't exactly match the story. I still think it was classless from Holland. Even if the referee asks "try, yes or no", the correct call is still held up. There was no definite angle where he grounded the ball.
It also goes without saying that the TMO wasn't brought into the game to remove contentious decisions. Rugby is a game of perspective and people can have different perspectives for different tries. The TMO gets rid of howlers and does a good job at that.
I don't see anything classless about what he said. Good to heat a bit of honesty for a change. It's better than the sanitised bullshit we mostly get nowadays.
Nah this is utter bollocks, unless he has x-ray vision - bullshit
Holland said there was “no doubt” in his mind that Savea scored.
“Ardie scored the try, there’s no doubt about that but it’s a good one to figure out about TMOs. Is it about speeding the game up or is it about getting it right?
The footage combined with Ardie saying he scored is probably enough for him to have no doubt. So he shouldn't believe Ardie?
He can believe Ardie if he wants but he seems to expect the ref to believe him as well. The Brumbies player also believes he held Ardie up. So, who do we believe? Well, we go to the footage which didn't show a clear grounding.
It is classless to believe there is a system problem because a line call goes against you.
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I don't care whether it was a try or not. I disagree with what he said being called 'classless'. The threshold for classless is a hell of a lot higher than that in my book.
I think it's a little bit questionable for him to suggest that the decision might be incorrect due to it being a rushed decision...
"Is it about speeding the game up or is it about getting it right?" suggests that with more time, a different call decision would have been reached, which I don't think is correct. You can say you think a try was scored but you can also acknowledge that there was no proof of said try being scored. He hasn't exactly done that here.
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@Mr-Fish said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I don't care whether it was a try or not. I disagree with what he said being called 'classless'. The threshold for classless is a hell of a lot higher than that in my book.
I think it's a little bit questionable for him to suggest that the decision might be incorrect due to it being a rushed decision...
"Is it about speeding the game up or is it about getting it right?" suggests that with more time, a different call decision would have been reached, which I don't think is correct. You can say you think a try was scored but you can also acknowledge that there was no proof of said try being scored. He hasn't exactly done that here.
Plenty of people on here have said the same or similar thing about the TMR process. I still don't think it's classless. It's not like he burst into a Ricki Stewart like rant.
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
I still don't think it's classless. It's not like he burst into a Ricki Stewart like rant.
Or posted a Rassie YouTube video.
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I don't care whether it was a try or not. I disagree with what he said being called 'classless'. The threshold for classless is a hell of a lot higher than that in my book.
He deflected the loss to the TMO to cover up for his own players who should have got the job done. Refusing to take responsibility and blaming other people or processes when you had every opportunity to get the outcome you wanted, meets my definition of classless.
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@hydro11 said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I don't care whether it was a try or not. I disagree with what he said being called 'classless'. The threshold for classless is a hell of a lot higher than that in my book.
He deflected the loss to the TMO to cover up for his own players who should have got the job done. Refusing to take responsibility and blaming other people or processes when you had every opportunity to get the outcome you wanted, meets my definition of classless.
You are reading a hell of a lot into it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@Crazy-Horse said in QF: Brumbies v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I don't care whether it was a try or not. I disagree with what he said being called 'classless'. The threshold for classless is a hell of a lot higher than that in my book.
He deflected the loss to the TMO to cover up for his own players who should have got the job done. Refusing to take responsibility and blaming other people or processes when you had every opportunity to get the outcome you wanted, meets my definition of classless.
You are reading a hell of a lot into it.
Especially when going off the twist of a Stuff article.
I really suspect that had you heard the words in context and tone it wouldn't be half as bad.I do get the point though that the failings fall on his shoulders
