Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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Christ Southee is certainly putting his mark on the team by 1. actually winning the toss every now and then, and 2. always choosing to bowl first at every opportunity.
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I don't mind Wagnerball when appropriate, but first morning of a test match just seemed a waste. I don't blame Wagner either as he will be working to a plan
Curiously we all know Southee got lucky by bowling first last time, but has he actually won a first innings?
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@No-Quarter said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Christ Southee is certainly putting his mark on the team by 1. actually winning the toss every now and then, and 2. always choosing to bowl first at every opportunity.
I don't think this is putting his mark.
Since 2016, CdG debut on the first NZ modern green-seamer we've seen at test level (E.g. ridiculously grassy in appearance, but actually quite benign). It has been standard.
At home, we've bowled first 100% of the time when winning the toss for the last 8 seasons.
Since 01 Jan 2016:
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
All tests: New Zealand 2016-2023 31 20 6 0 5 3.333
NZ fielding first: New Zealand 2016-2023 19 13 2 0 4 6.5
NZ winning toss and fielding first: New Zealand 2016-2023 15 12 1 0 2 12
NZ winning toss New Zealand 2016-2023 15 12 1 0 2 12
NZ loss the toss New Zealand 2016-2023 16 8 5 0 3 1.6 -
Actually, prior to that abritrary date I chose (The CdG debut). During the earlier half of that same decade NZ also used to almost always chose to bowl first at home. 18 out of 21 occasions (So, McCullum, Taylor captaincy period).
Prior to that it was more 50%ish, except for another (not as extravagent) blip in the 1980s (17 out of 28) , when we had Hadlee.
Screenshot 2023-03-09 at 2.06.42 PM
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Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
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@bayimports said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
True. The team is a bit shit, the bowling talent has regressed, and the team very poorly coached/managed. That is a new reality that should be taken into account when making a decision upon winning the toss. As well as the pitch.
But, in Southee's defence upon making a decision on the morning of each match. Look at the 11 he's been given. 4 seamers, and a part-time(ish) spinner.
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@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
and Larsen.
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@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
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@No-Quarter said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
I'm a child of the 1980s. So I was brought up on win the toss and bowl. I can only remember one victory from the 1980s golden era where we won bowling 4th (Eden park v Australia in 1986, although I'm sure there's probably a few more).
Edit: v England 1984 Lancaster Park was won bowling 2nd and 3rd after enforcing a follow on.For me the "win the toss and bat" is a concept from a different planet (e.g. Australia).
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