Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Mate, 150 odd for 5, were all but fucked.
Get in tonight after a busy day out and we made 370 odd.We’ve got an incredible knack of getting ourselves out of some really shit situations at the moment.
Out batting order seems very brittle at the moment, prone to a collapse which we haven’t seen much of in the last couple of years.
Nicholls the huge concern, hasn’t scored runs for what seems a long time. Time to give Young or Phillips some time in the saddle and see what they can do.
Yup. Can't judge Young or Phillips on a game or two, Nicholls has been given far more rope than that
Young and Phillips are just clearly worse players. I'm all for someone arguing that Nicholls is out of form and maybe someone else could score more runs than him in Wellington. I don't accept that there is a better batsman than him in New Zealand waiting in the wings.
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@hydro11 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Mate, 150 odd for 5, were all but fucked.
Get in tonight after a busy day out and we made 370 odd.We’ve got an incredible knack of getting ourselves out of some really shit situations at the moment.
Out batting order seems very brittle at the moment, prone to a collapse which we haven’t seen much of in the last couple of years.
Nicholls the huge concern, hasn’t scored runs for what seems a long time. Time to give Young or Phillips some time in the saddle and see what they can do.
Yup. Can't judge Young or Phillips on a game or two, Nicholls has been given far more rope than that
Young and Phillips are just clearly worse players. I'm all for someone arguing that Nicholls is out of form and maybe someone else could score more runs than him in Wellington. I don't accept that there is a better batsman than him in New Zealand waiting in the wings.
Then we are fucked
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Our bottom 5 batsmen scored a combined 151 runs. Strong end to the innings.
With a bit of luck we may have had 5.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Our bottom 5 batsmen scored a combined 151 runs. Strong end to the innings.
With a bit of luck we may have had 5.
Very hard to see the SL tail wagging like it did again. That bottom four barely average double figures between them.
….and as if to say “fuck you MN5” Tickner gets another !!!!
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Nicholls will continue to be selected.
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@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
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@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Yep, aside from the heroics in Australia ( 12 years ago !!!! ) that’s fair.
So frustrating as he looked to the manor born after that effort.
At least they didn’t refer to him as an all rounder.
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@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Mate, 150 odd for 5, were all but fucked.
Get in tonight after a busy day out and we made 370 odd.We’ve got an incredible knack of getting ourselves out of some really shit situations at the moment.
Out batting order seems very brittle at the moment, prone to a collapse which we haven’t seen much of in the last couple of years.
Nicholls the huge concern, hasn’t scored runs for what seems a long time. Time to give Young or Phillips some time in the saddle and see what they can do.
Yup. Can't judge Young or Phillips on a game or two, Nicholls has been given far more rope than that
Young and Phillips are just clearly worse players. I'm all for someone arguing that Nicholls is out of form and maybe someone else could score more runs than him in Wellington. I don't accept that there is a better batsman than him in New Zealand waiting in the wings.
Then we are fucked
Nicholls still averages like 35? If he is our worst batsman, that is pretty good. Plenty of other teams in test cricket would love for their worst batsman to be as good.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
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@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
I would pick any of the following before I would consider Bracewell again:
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or if we really want someone who has experience how about we pick someone who is actually proven they are a world class bowler (although that is white ball cricket):
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
Perfect chance to blood a youngster,They could learn of the other older quicks bring someone through.
Another 33 year old means the 5 or 6 bowlers they are using now will all go together and you will have 3 or 4 new quicks all blooded together. -
And if we are really serious about finding a spinner who can bat a bit, lets select this guy:
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Daniel Vettori had a similar amount of experience when he was picked and look how he turned out.
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@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
And if we are really serious about finding a spinner who can bat a bit, lets select this guy:
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Daniel Vettori had a similar amount of experience when he was picked and look how he turned out.
Yep I don't mind that either he does get some proper purchase off the wkt.
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@hydro11 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Mate, 150 odd for 5, were all but fucked.
Get in tonight after a busy day out and we made 370 odd.We’ve got an incredible knack of getting ourselves out of some really shit situations at the moment.
Out batting order seems very brittle at the moment, prone to a collapse which we haven’t seen much of in the last couple of years.
Nicholls the huge concern, hasn’t scored runs for what seems a long time. Time to give Young or Phillips some time in the saddle and see what they can do.
Yup. Can't judge Young or Phillips on a game or two, Nicholls has been given far more rope than that
Young and Phillips are just clearly worse players. I'm all for someone arguing that Nicholls is out of form and maybe someone else could score more runs than him in Wellington. I don't accept that there is a better batsman than him in New Zealand waiting in the wings.
Nicholls has been substandard for the past two years - during that time he's averaged 22 and made one hundred that various people have claimed he was dropped five times in getting.
There comes a point where you have to be dropped and Henry is there for me (well, one more chance to save himself).
According to my calculations, in non-test first class cricket:
Phillips averages about 41.5
Nicholls averages 39.1
And Daryl Mitchell averages 37.5A year ago there would have been a good case that Mitch Jr. was clearly a worse player than Nicholls (and our selectors clearly thought so). It's possible that Phillips - or whomever else replaces Nicholls - would similarly take to test cricket like a duck to water.
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@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris-B Yes. If we agree it is time to look at some younger bowlers the same applies to batsmen. They might just turn out to be another Mitchell, but we won't know unless they are given an opportunity.
Yep for all the same reasons I outlined about blooding a new bowler.
All our bats are going to disappear and we are blooding too many bats at once
