Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
Yet the only decent kicker in the squad is Roigard who can't crack the 23 and if he does is unlikely to get many minutes.
Edit - I'll add DMac shows some ability with punting but likewise he can't crack the 23
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
Yet the only decent kicker in the squad is Roigard who can't crack the 23 and if he does is unlikely to get many minutes.
Edit - I'll add DMac shows some ability with punting but likewise he can't crack the 23
DMac is easily our best 10 for this Cup but will not make the 23
I have very high hopes for he and Roigard next year
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@mariner4life also one of our better chasers, instead of contesting in the air as he usually does, stayed on the ground (at least 3 occasions that I can recall) and got carded for clattering into the man in the air.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
This 100% and exactly how the Chiefs played this year only to fail at the end. If Foster cannot see the meta every other top coach can then he really is a muppet.
Penalties for holding on has almost become a strategy and viable option and where NZ really struggles. IRE and SA are two of the best at this and even they could not protect the ball carrier on every carry, if you get pinged in your 50 for holding on and its 3 points or 5 meter lineout. That is what makes spreading it wide in your 50 so dangerous, Telea got caught a number of times and others too.
I would argue exiting is getting as important as set piece, the inability to exit your half just lead to pressure and points. Of all the teams at the WC you will notice they will almost always have someone who can exit to halfway. For us Jordie, Dmac, Roigard are arguably the best, Stevenson of course at home could also play this roll. Having Telea, CC and BB means we simply don't have anyone back there that will win a kicking territory contest.
I think the AB's rate players on attacking ability far too much, whereas NH sides seem to build their teams around defence, exits etc.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
It seems simple, doesn't it!
A basic tenet of rugby - don't fuck around in your own half and especially not in your own 22.
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@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
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@antipodean the subs and the card were the catalyst IMO
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@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
it was the aimless ones once we got in their half late in the game that killed me. We were down, and we just kept giving them the ball back, and not in a good way.
They ran out of ideas
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Fiji with less than ten penalties last four games, abs should've got Glenn on board
The ex Test referee who's revolutionised Fiji's discipline this World Cup
Former international referee Glen Jackson, the Flying Fijians attack and backs coach, has helped the team dramatically improve their...
Have we ever done less than ten in the last four years?
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DuPont on his return
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so Deysel got 6 weeks down to 5...doesnt seem any different to many of the others that got less.
Is the end result here a factor?
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@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
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shit like this just rams home how the "focus on player safety" is purely theatre
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sounds like an interesting tactic, I pity the fool that gets carded for an accidental brush/knock
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@canefan said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
I also can't be solid, like some games have, needs to be thinner than 5mm uncompressed. SO basically pointless, I guess they might apply for an exemption with WR for something more substantial - I can't see WR saying no to that, the biggest player in the tournament
