All Blacks 2023
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
That's called "Doing a Frizzell"
while i yell at the TV a lot, by fuck i yelled at the TV then. The game wasn't even in the balance, it was just another shit moment from a player not fit enough to be out there.
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@mariner4life Biggest piss off is seeing players doing that. I not discussing last week's game , as I didn't watch it closely enough, but my criticism of Akira used to be he didn't put in the effort, ie if a runner was slightly wide of him , he would just turn and jog back. I honestly thought he had got rid of that last year anyway, and looked interested for longer times.
Big take of mine is always workrate etc, one of reasons I so keen on players like Sam Cane etc, spends not a nano second longer on ground after a tackle etc than necessary. Young Fabian Holland from Highlanders, was one who caught me eye because he did same when I first saw him play. One of reasons I love being at games live, love seeing players that do it well. Seems it one thing me and Eddie Jones agree on lol.Anyway as I say that's not getting into Akira/Frizzell etc, and on tv you don't often see what's going on around these players and reason why they are doing what they do.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Reading comprehension problems?
Still isn't good to turn your back on a live ball however you want to spin it or make up names for people that have a different view than yours. Or accuse them of lying.
Total bullshit from someone that should set a better example.
I'm off for a while.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Reading comprehension problems?
Still isn't good to turn your back on a live ball however you want to spin it or make up names for people that have a different view than yours. Or accuse them of lying.
Total bullshit from someone that should set a better example.
I'm off for a while.
He ran back onside and was ready in position before the quick tap, you are quibbling with how fast he did it and saying he had his back to play, which is just inaccurate.
The clear inference was that the try was partly his fault. Just not true. IBDS.
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@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
Great tackler, sure.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan the problem for Akira is he couldn't replicate his form vs Aussie when he played the Boks.
he's not alone there. There is a rogues gallery of forwards who look good beating up shit Aussie packs and then failing against others. Lots of them have played 6.
Upvoted solely for the use of rogues gallery.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Beaudy and Mo'unga are rightfully nowhere to be seen.
Haven't been great this year so far - but still a long way to go. If DMac continues to show his maturity and cutting out the risky plays, he's a shoe-in for me. Both RM & BB have always had that little bit of flakiness which always worries you.
Be interesting who'll be the the next off the cab rank - Ritchie or BB?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Beaudy and Mo'unga are rightfully nowhere to be seen.
Haven't been great this year so far - but still a long way to go. If DMac continues to show his maturity and cutting out the risky plays, he's a shoe-in for me. Both RM & BB have always had that little bit of flakiness which always worries you.
Be interesting who'll be the the next off the cab rank - Ritchie or BB?
Probably Ritchie.....just.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
Great tackler, sure.
But does he still have the speed at international level to get around the park effectively?Yep, he as quick as any of the loosies.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bovidae it's almost guaranteed they will carry two loose forwards on the bench. Barrett will start at 6 and then move to lock. Cane will get subbed. Savea will play 80.
DP will bench, the guy covering 6 is the "unknown" at this stage.
I reckon you can probably pen in 22 of the 23 that will be named for the knock-outs now.
While Barrett at 6 mightn’t be perfect in lots of peoples eyes , I think with cane and ardie starting , he seems to be best equipped to add the stuff that is lacking , if that makes sense .
I thought our pack did look best last year with that set up .
Then we could have something like Hoskins and Blackadder on the bench with scooter playing 80 Minutes .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bovidae it's almost guaranteed they will carry two loose forwards on the bench. Barrett will start at 6 and then move to lock. Cane will get subbed. Savea will play 80.
DP will bench, the guy covering 6 is the "unknown" at this stage.
I reckon you can probably pen in 22 of the 23 that will be named for the knock-outs now.
While Barrett at 6 mightn’t be perfect in lots of peoples eyes , I think with cane and ardie starting , he seems to be best equipped to add the stuff that is lacking , if that makes sense .
I thought our pack did look best last year with that set up .
Then we could have something like Hoskins and Blackadder on the bench with scooter playing 80 Minutes .
And one injury to lock has you changing two positions instead of one, and not to mention it's repeating the mistakes of 2019 if we are at all interested in learning from that tournament...
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i hate it, i was purely predicting who will be picked
i fucking hate the way the ABs start players who also cover others. If you want to change your 10, you also need to change your 15 in our current set up etc
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If I was really honest I’m not sold on it either ,
But of all the options we tried last year it seemed to operate the best , or that’s how I saw it at the time .
So I’m probably going along with it more than endorsing it . And can be easily persuaded if I see something better .
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Crikey - you guys think Fozzie is going to change his first-five with five games left to the World Cup?
The Richie (without a T)/Beaudy question got answered comprehensively last year - and the subtext of that question was "Who will start at the Rugby World Cup?".
I need to be careful not to post drunk or I'll end up in a hat eating bet!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
Great tackler, sure.
But does he still have the speed at international level to get around the park effectively?Yep, he as quick as any of the loosies.
last year he was timed as taking much more time at ABs between rucks than Dalton P. good if he has regained speed since then..
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Crikey - you guys think Fozzie is going to change his first-five with five games left to the World Cup?
The Richie (without a T)/Beaudy question got answered comprehensively last year - and the subtext of that question was "Who will start at the Rugby World Cup?".
I need to be careful not to post drunk or I'll end up in a hat eating bet!
yeah but DMac has improved at 10 and he plays for the Chiefs!
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On pure current form criteria, then Blackadder (who is out with injury) and Scott Barrett (who plays at lock) should not be considered for the 6 jersey. The form blindside flanker is Finau, IMO : consistantly big workrate, abrasive in defense and making the hard yards ball in hand.
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@Chris-B the one season wonder brigade all coming out of the woodwork , last year there people posting wanting Kurt Eklund and even AJ Lam to wear an All Black jersey .🤦🏻♂️
Just because a team is having an oustanding season does’nt mean everyone in the squad should be getting a look in.
For me Shaun Stephenson has always had the skillset to play international rugby but has added constincency to his game.
The injury to Sevu Reece has defintely opened a door for other contenders ,not totally sold on Narawa only because i dont see a full alround gameD Mac without question is the form 10 , seems to have the best game management
Been impressed with Roigard , because he brings a running game thats not to afraid to take on forwards around the ruck
Its a real shame we still dont have the African teams in the comp , it forced NZ teams to roll their sleeves up physically especially for the vigors international rugby.
