All Blacks 2023
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
It was only a matter of time!
Apologies for having an opinion on a discussion board
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan the problem for Akira is he couldn't replicate his form vs Aussie when he played the Boks.
he's not alone there. There is a rogues gallery of forwards who look good beating up shit Aussie packs and then failing against others. Lots of them have played 6.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan the problem for Akira is he couldn't replicate his form vs Aussie when he played the Boks.
That is the thread myth, yes. He's not alone there, should we drop all those players? How about the ones that struggled against Ireland in a similar way?
Or we could pick the player with the best upside, IMHO AKira, and develop him? He's 90% there, unlike the others.
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the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan the problem for Akira is he couldn't replicate his form vs Aussie when he played the Boks.
That is the thread myth, yes. He's not alone there, should we drop all those players? How about the ones that struggled against Ireland in a similar way?
Or we could pick the player with the best upside, IMHO AKira, and develop him? He's 90% there, unlike the others.
lol, i want him to be the guy as much as anyone but this just isn't even remotely true, no matter how many times you say it.
Anyway you are all wrong, Finau is the guy.
you know, once he is fit enough.
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@mariner4life obviously I disagree. Ignoring the obvious positives, like his speed out wide, he's one of the few at 6 that drives people back in the tackle, unlike Frizzell actually attends rucks and moves bodies, and is a very good lineout option.
Previous big issue with him was fitness, that was solved a long time ago. Just look at 80min performance two games back from a long injury.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
he's one of the few at 6 that drives people back in the tackle,
actually he wrestles. He's an upper body scragger. Which works at Super level but not so much at test level. At the next level he still reminds me of the guy who's been the biggest and strongest his whole career
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
he's one of the few at 6 that drives people back in the tackle,
actually he wrestles. He's an upper body scragger. Which works at Super level but not so much at test level. At the next level he still reminds me of the guy who's been the biggest and strongest his whole career
He really doesn’t.
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@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
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There are only four serious options for the World Cup at 6.
Front runner is Scott Barrett, who I think is our best lock, at worst the second best and should be playing there.
Frizzel is next in Fosters eyes, and aside from being a cowardly worm that assaults women, he goes missing at Test level (and SR level this year). A non entity.
Akira, for the reasons stated above.
And Ethan, who I believe is a seven and is also too similar to Cane and Ardie. It would be a very Australian style loose forward trio and get steamrollered by the bigger backs. Ethan on the bench for me.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
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Not sure how to approach this with being labelled deranged or accused of projecting but these aspects of Akira's game have been noted often by many and various.
No one is saying that the guy isn't a good code player at all, just that these aspects of using upper body strength over leg drive or whole body (in both attack and defence) are what make him less impactful against big, and more accurate, sides. The ones we need to beat. -
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
Said the Chiefs fan (since this all about bias apparently). Tell me more about how Jacobson hasn’t failed at Test level.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
i have said repeatedly that DP's performance v ENgland was the best in an AB7 shirt in years
But it takes blinkers to not think Cane is having an enormous season for the Chiefs, contesting the ball more, better in the carry, and still whacking in defence. And he's the captain.
