All Blacks 2023
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
Gardiner is really a 6, only covering at Lock with all the injuries,
On the AB XV tour at the end of last season he played 6.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
Homesick, mental health, hey presto he's back in NZ playing rugby!
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@Stargazer Valance Te Whare is one they will be watching too I think when he makes his debut
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
Homesick, mental health, hey presto he's back in NZ playing rugby!
just do a SBW right?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy
yep, as much as i hate it, but he's what they need given the others. He's not quick, but he's bulky, hits rucks, and is a good lineout target.
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@ACT-Crusader Yep well I think it just our opinions, I personally think Cane has been best 7 in NZ teams so far this year (and ahead of DP), and has been bloody good whenever he on field, I a Blackadder fan (have been sice he a youg fella at Ta$man) but he hasn't played bugger all this year.
Also agree about Roigard, but as I say just opinions, and rspect you see things differently. I also say with DP,Cane, even RMo,BB etc who have been not great, I npt really picking players for future in fisrt part of super anyway. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
Peter O'Mahony is 1.91 m, and he is used regularly as a lineout option for Ireland. There are plenty of 6s in NZ of a similar height. As a comparison, Papalii is taller (1.93 m). It's how you use them as jumpers as much as their height.
No matter how well drilled they are - Snow White and the seven dwarves are going to get picked off by elite line-outs!
I want three tall options AND well drilled!
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports he’s 19 years old with a shit team around him including no experienced halves. He was great in the World Cup for Tonga when he was 18 or 19?
He was school sports captain, dux etc. Came through the Panthers system but they have Cleary and Luai.
If it’s taking a punt on Katoa or picking Mitch Hunt for the All Blacks I know who I’d go for
Really the team beaten by Samoa in their only game that counted in a game they were favourites for?, just out of curiosity, what position do you expect him to play? 10?
who was the last half that successfully transitioned in any country at the top level? (without using the line, he would have success because he would be trans)Look he is young and has talent but I still call BS on future AB. Im sure NZ rugby would say, never say never, I just don't see this happening
I reckon 12 would be his position, more specifically as a 2nd 5/8 rather than inside centre if you get my drift. I stand corrected but he is a 6 in league isn't he? A 6 in league tends to play like a 2nd 5/8 in union.
Yeah but what was SBW? He was a 6 initially in union so maybe that didn't help his later role at 12 but I'd argue even from league to union he and RTS didn't / don't have complete 12 skills/vision, but then again we don't seem have much longterm depth in complete all-round skilled 12s, since later Nonu I guess. Who was also arguably more an inside centre than a classic 2nd five.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy
yep, as much as i hate it, but he's what they need given the others. He's not quick, but he's bulky, hits rucks, and is a good lineout target.
His try saving tackle on Stuart Hogg last year was superb.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/samisoni-taukeiaho-inks-2027-contract-extension
With De Groot and Lomax signing on, that essentially locks down the All Blacks starting front row for the next wee while.
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“I just think he's earned that. I think he's the form first-five at the moment and has been all year, for me. Okay, Damian has been pretty good as well but I think we have to go for an outright first-five with the World Cup. “But in saying that I would also like to also have D-Mac there, on the pitch as well, as my second No 10 but playing at fullback. We can set up a double-sided attack with those two either side.” “He's (Mo'unga) more of a threat,” Spencer added. “Beauden to me at the moment looks hesitant. He is lacking a little bit of confidence. “It looks like to me he doesn't want to take contact, so he is not taking the ball to the line. I can't remember one instance last night (when the Blues played the Rebels) where he actually took the ball to the line and got tackled or made contact with a defender -
yeah no shit Carlos, it's pretty clear he's the best 10 option
the problem we have is, it's pretty clear he's the best 10 option
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@mariner4life to me DMac is the best 10 option. At least Carlos has some interesting takes instead of the usual rubbish on the Breakdown.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life to me DMac is the best 10 option. At least Carlos has some interesting takes instead of the usual rubbish on the Breakdown.
IMO DMac brings the same set of problems to test match rugby that Mo'unga does. That's the fucking problem. DMac maybe a better field kicker (certainly was last time they played each other) but there's fuck all in it. The main difference i see is that DMac isn't afraid to run in the tight channels.
I wouldn't start him at 15 either.
I wouldn't pick BB at all.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
Carlos also wants Barrett and DMac in the 23, the latter starting at fullback.
fucking yuck.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life to me DMac is the best 10 option. At least Carlos has some interesting takes instead of the usual rubbish on the Breakdown.
IMO DMac brings the same set of problems to test match rugby that Mo'unga does. That's the fucking problem. DMac maybe a better field kicker (certainly was last time they played each other) but there's fuck all in it. The main difference i see is that DMac isn't afraid to run in the tight channels.
I wouldn't start him at 15 either.
I wouldn't pick BB at all.
Agreed on BB, his form over the last couple years doesn't warrant selection in that 23.
If I was the coach right now and the WC was tomorrow, I would be picking Stevenson at fullback (with Jordan absent) and DMac at 10. They've clearly been the best in those positions this year. I also feel like McKenzie's stint away from NZ has made him far less erratic in his decision making.
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