All Blacks 2023
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kruse yeah but reputations get built on past behaviour. What movie are you watching?
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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@Kruse said in All Blacks 2023:
Ah, good point - I got distracted from my core role.
Death Race 2050 - looks like a go-er.I loved the original but could not last through the remake. Is it nostalgia or was there something awkwardly cool about 70s 80s movies like that and RoboCop and Total Recall that remakes fail to recover? Oh well, back to the ABs and by the way I won't mention Foster (and co!!) except to say is it just me or have our bench changes got worse in terms of impact? I vaguely recall about 5 or 10 years ago our bench were an impactful improvement.. no longer.. maybe it is more to do with opponent fitness improvements...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kruse yeah but reputations get built on past behaviour. What movie are you watching?
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
I think that was a sly dig that Kruse has built a drunken reputation on Hunter S Thompson style movie reviews?
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Ah OK. Thought it was Bones out-Timing Tim.
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The travel was up on what? 2021 when there was lockdowns? Seems about right
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack
Ireland did the opposite.From my limited understanding, I believe Schmitt was hugely influential in administering change at both club level and higher.
The thinking and changes took place well before Schmidt joined. Cheika at Leinster was also hugely influential according to O'Driscoll
I understand your argument and I agree about the systemic problems in NZ rugby, but are you arguing to keep the current AB coach because there are problems elsewhere?
That seems to counter your argument and the part I don't understand.Nothing to do with Foster or whoever is Head Coach (did I even mention him?). I'm talking about the need for some thinking around player development at senior levels and putting some better structure in place.
Part of the changes surely would be to put someone in the AB coaching role with some new innovation to head the needed changes.
Well, we could think about putting put someone close to the coaching staff (maybe call him a National Performance director...) and use him to co-ordinate player development up and down the tree. This might work better than one relying on one bloke (the AB Head Coach) to drive skills, player development and performance across lower levels by proxy or osmosis.
Foster, for all his experience, is not an innovator. Change is not in his DNA.
What has Foster got to do with it?
Cheers. Totally agree except I think having an AB head coach with a different direction will be hugely influential in the changes that are needed. Top-down as well as bottom-up changes are needed. I mention Foster because I think you are stating changing the AB head coach would have little effect. I tend to disagree on that part.
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@Kruse said in All Blacks 2023:
Every time. Every... fucking... time.
@Victor-Meldrew states something as simple as "I don't think just replacing the Head Coach of the All Blacks is going to fix everything... a more fundamental look at the entire structure is more likely to be of benefit"
Somebody interprets at as "Defending Foster". Just... how the fuck do we teach comprehension?
1 - There is ZERO fucking defence of Ian Foster in Meldrew's theory.
2 - Meldrew is NOT defending Ian Foster.
3 - Fucking FORGET Foster... nobody cares, not a single fucking bit, about yet another "Ugh... Foster is useless, because... blah blah"
4 - Read. Think. Comprehend. Then respond. (I know, I know... Cue: "un-fern-like", "ban him", etc)WTF! Did you actually read what I posted? Comprehend and all that? You sound like my frustrated 5th-form English teacher (Frustrated for good reason I must admit).
I will put it simply so you can comprehend. I think we need a new direction at the top and that will influence the changes needed in NZ rugby. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack
Ireland did the opposite.From my limited understanding, I believe Schmitt was hugely influential in administering change at both club level and higher.
The thinking and changes took place well before Schmidt joined. Cheika at Leinster was also hugely influential according to O'Driscoll
I understand your argument and I agree about the systemic problems in NZ rugby, but are you arguing to keep the current AB coach because there are problems elsewhere?
That seems to counter your argument and the part I don't understand.Nothing to do with Foster or whoever is Head Coach (did I even mention him?). I'm talking about the need for some thinking around player development at senior levels and putting some better structure in place.
Part of the changes surely would be to put someone in the AB coaching role with some new innovation to head the needed changes.
Well, we could think about putting put someone close to the coaching staff (maybe call him a National Performance director...) and use him to co-ordinate player development up and down the tree. This might work better than one relying on one bloke (the AB Head Coach) to drive skills, player development and performance across lower levels by proxy or osmosis.
Foster, for all his experience, is not an innovator. Change is not in his DNA.
What has Foster got to do with it?
Cheers. Totally agree except I think having an AB head coach with a different direction will be hugely influential in the changes that are needed. Top-down as well as bottom-up changes are needed. I mention Foster because I think you are stating changing the AB head coach would have little effect. I tend to disagree on that part.
With all due repect mate, whoever is AB coach should have nothing to do with the changes suggested, good as they are! The AB coach should be just that and all development should be done through a national development team (we actually have something like it already) as when the AB coach is used for in this role, I tend to think whoever he is will develop players in his style? I think what is required is a team of skills coaches both in playing and lifestyle, and go from there.
Just how I see it, and not saying anyone is out of line etc. -
@Dan54 Ideally, but there is no doubt the roles Henry, Hansen, Cron et al, played in leading the style of play in NZ rugby (Schmitt in Ireland, Rassie in SA, France). We have people on here saying grassroots teams all play similarly, a lack of variety in how Super rugby teams play, etc. Even the media now saying the same thing. I think the way the AB team goes about it has a huge influence and the lack of innovation at the top has very negative implications on all rugby in NZ.
What both you and Victor say makes complete sense to me but with the added dimension of saying the way the top team plays is hugely influential. -
You would be unlucky to miss the RWC squad if you are currently part of this group .
Who is in danger or missing the cut from this current squad ?
Can only think of Stephenson unfortunately -
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
You would be unlucky to miss the RWC squad if you are currently part of this group .
Who is in danger or missing the cut from this current squad ?
Can only think of Stephenson unfortunatelyThe RWC squad is smaller than this squad isn't it?
33 for RWC vs 36 + Stevenson in this squad?
Still 2 games to go - Clarke is in trouble if Leicester has a big game.
Still a few players who have yet to play too.
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@Steven-Harris Assuming everyone is fit, I think this will be a very easy World Cup squad to call, maybe only two or three places still up for grabs, if that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Halfback, the midfield and, maybe a bit strangely, fullback are the positions that concern me re. depth.
I'm a lot more comfortable about midfield than last year. Reiko now looks like a complete 13 rather than a wing transitioning to centre, Jordie is solid as and we have ALB. Injuries are the curse though.
Plenty of talent at 15, just need to sort out where WJ is best placed, try DMac and work on the combinations/game-plan.
I don't think they should shift Will now (and I'm pretty sure it won't happen) - we'd end up with a pretty much untried combo (and rookies) at 11, 14, 15.
I think Beaudy is their 15, but if he gets injured, then in my mind it probably has to be DMac and it feels like a long time since he started a test at fullbck.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Halfback, the midfield and, maybe a bit strangely, fullback are the positions that concern me re. depth.
I'm a lot more comfortable about midfield than last year. Reiko now looks like a complete 13 rather than a wing transitioning to centre, Jordie is solid as and we have ALB. Injuries are the curse though.
Plenty of talent at 15, just need to sort out where WJ is best placed, try DMac and work on the combinations/game-plan.
I don't think they should shift Will now (and I'm pretty sure it won't happen) - we'd end up with a pretty much untried combo (and rookies) at 11, 14, 15.
I think Beaudy is their 15, but if he gets injured, then in my mind it probably has to be DMac and it feels like a long time since he started a test at fullbck.
If they don't try Will J at 15, how can we be ready if BB goes down? We know what BB brings to the table, how about playing him at 15 against the Aussies next?
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
You would be unlucky to miss the RWC squad if you are currently part of this group .
Who is in danger or missing the cut from this current squad ?
Can only think of Stephenson unfortunatelyJason Ryan was on the Breakdown just before and said they've had Joe Moody and David Havili in camp with them last week. Kirsty Stanaway added Ethan Blackadder's name to that mix, but I don't think Ryan name checked him. Assuming he is, that would be 40 names - seven to be cut.
Stevenson probably unlikely, as you say.
I reckon Havili will go and Ennor and McLeod won't.
A lock won't - probably Josh Lord.
A loosehead prop. At least one wing. One loose forward if Blackadder is actually in that mix.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
A lock won't - probably Josh Lord.
Been a fanboi, or at least hopeful about, Tupou Vaa'i but Lord is better. Way better.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Beaudy is their 15, but if he gets injured, then in my mind it probably has to be DMac and it feels like a long time since he started a test at fullbck.
If Beaudy gets his decision-making radar improved, I'd be happy as you get the feeling he could do something dumb at any time... Thought DMac was great at 15 when he last played there but he's focussed on 10 in the recent past.
Be interesting to see what the Melbourne teamsheet looks like.
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BBBR said Lord was the tallest lock at the chiefs, I was thinking, isn't BBBR himself about 2.05m?!? Edit: 2.04. Ok, but that is tall.
Brodie Retallick backs ‘great’ All Blacks youngster to shine
Experienced All Black Brodie Retallick runs the rule over young team-mate Josh Lord, who was selected in New Zealand’s Rugby Championship squad.
It would be interesting to see if / why they would prefer Va'ai, has not seemed to kick on as far as I can tell.
