All Blacks 2023
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@Crucial plus fakatava has an injury cloud over him, not like he currently has a niggle...but having just come back and having chosen not to have surgery...i feel its kind of in the back of the mind
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@Crucial yes ok I'm just saying I do like him but they will only take 3 locked in all 3 unless injuries just like seevu he probably out of contention so gives Stephenson great chance and will Jordan hearing probably gone for not all but most season at this stage so rule him out also but the hooking role will b very interesting
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial plus fakatava has an injury cloud over him, not like he currently has a niggle...but having just come back and having chosen not to have surgery...i feel its kind of in the back of the mind
Not to say that by season end he won't be firing on all cylinders. though.
If he is then there will be some real decisions to be made.
One thing about Smith, Christie and Weber is that they are from a similar mould. Smaller, fast, but don't have a line crack that often.
Fakatava offers difference in that you can never give him a tiny space because he might have you backpedalling. Probably a bit more robust in contact as well. Roigard and Ratima sit somewhere between the two. Both have an eye for a chance.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial yes ok I'm just saying I do like him but they will only take 3 locked in all 3 unless injuries just like seevu he probably out of contention so gives Stephenson great chance and will Jordan hearing probably gone for not all but most season at this stage so rule him out also but the hooking role will b very interesting
All these "I no things, but can't say' posts. Just say it man. You don't have to divulge sauce.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Christie and Weber
these 2 offer a running game that Aaron doesnt, well at least doesnt use very much, so much of our play is so easy to defend because his next play is most often easy to read; pass it or kick it
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life he won't b at world cup but his time will come if Razor sees it like u and others
Just few good games won't get him thereI was questioning the fact you had him at 8th. Look, if they don't pick Roigard this year, I get it. Other, more experienced halfbacks are also playing really well atm, but to me Roigard looks like a player suited to test rugby. His kicking is sound, his pass is fast and accurate, he makes smart choices and he's a consistent game driver.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Christie and Weber
these 2 offer a running game that Aaron doesnt, well at least doesnt use very much, so much of our play is so easy to defend because his next play is most often easy to read; pass it or kick it
I don't think that at test level they use it much more than Smith. I don't know if that is because of the increased risk of being turned over or because of gameplan. All three can snipe but not to the level of Fakatava. Roigard and Ratima do their running when on the front foot more like an inside back than a halfback 'snipe'
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial plus fakatava has an injury cloud over him, not like he currently has a niggle...but having just come back and having chosen not to have surgery...i feel its kind of in the back of the mind
Not to say that by season end he won't be firing on all cylinders. though.
If he is then there will be some real decisions to be made.
One thing about Smith, Christie and Weber is that they are from a similar mould. Smaller, fast, but don't have a line crack that often.
Fakatava offers difference in that you can never give him a tiny space because he might have you backpedalling. Probably a bit more robust in contact as well. Roigard and Ratima sit somewhere between the two. Both have an eye for a chance.
As a selector do you want like for like replacements to keep gameplans consistent or do you want to mix things up?of course, i just feel he might have to prove himself even more than some of the others of overcome any doubts people having in his fitness, they might opt for less potential for less risk of injury
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Fakatava on defence has been compared to a 4th backrower. There's no other halfback in NZ like him who can make turnovers/jackals like he does; only Perenara comes close in that respect. IIRC Fakatava started learning that already at Hastings Boys' by training with the loosies.
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@KiwiMurph i think a lot of NZ halfbacks could do better with box kicks so thats good to hear
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
One thing I like about Roigard is his box kicking. It's very effective. He consistently kicks well.
Fakatava by comparison has a lot of improvement to go in that regard.
He also has a big boot which he used to kick from his 22 to halfway last weekend
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
One thing I like about Roigard is his box kicking. It's very effective. He consistently kicks well.
Fakatava by comparison has a lot of improvement to go in that regard.
He also has a big boot which he used to kick from his 22 to halfway last weekend
ooooh, a 30m punt
stop it, i can only get so erect
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
One thing I like about Roigard is his box kicking. It's very effective. He consistently kicks well.
Fakatava by comparison has a lot of improvement to go in that regard.
He also has a big boot which he used to kick from his 22 to halfway last weekend
For me Roigard has a point of difference with his running ability,
I would like to see him at the RWC.
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i wouldn't mind if we were brave with our 3rd in various positions. first choices is the best, second choice is the safe one...3rd i feel can be something new or different, filling the squad completely with options we consider safe just because they have experience at international level doesn't excite me
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
One thing I like about Roigard is his box kicking. It's very effective. He consistently kicks well.
Fakatava by comparison has a lot of improvement to go in that regard.
He also has a big boot which he used to kick from his 22 to halfway last weekend
For me Roigard has a point of difference with his running ability,
I would like to see him at the RWC.
That box kick could be handy.He looks big too
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@Kiwiwomble guess alot will depend on what Fozzie sees as his best way to win the rwc...rookie debutant or safe experience.
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@taniwharugby of course, i just dont blindly fall into the camp of experience trumps all, experience where they havent played well or got beat aint inherently good, so my feeling is a bit of both, pick experience as first and second choice...but if there is a rookie hot on form then roll the dice
