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@mariner4life said in Laporte:
@Machpants said in Laporte:
@antipodean Well at least with AIG you never had to worry about corruption. They do all their evil right out in the open.
Um, have a Google of AIG corruption probe. There's a ton
ah, i think you may have misread the tone of his post
I don't think so, not only is their evil upfront, but they also try to hide some of it. So at least Altrad pretends to be good, an improvement, no?
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@Windows97 said in Laporte:
Whilst all happily heading off the the RWC in France like nothing ever happened...
because, not even deep down, but like, just below a thin surface
people don't really give a shit
ooohh, rich powerful person used his power for personal gain. more news at 6
it's like the Qatar world cup being the fucking worst thing ever in the history of the world. while everyone watches.
And you know what? people shouldn't care. not really. what can any of us really do about it? fucking nothing. Except have the double whammy of removing fun things from out lives, AND adding misery to your lives. Shrug your shoulders and move on.
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@mariner4life said in Laporte:
what can any of us really do about it? fucking nothing. Except have the double whammy of removing fun things from out lives, AND adding misery to your lives. Shrug your shoulders and move on.Oh that's so untrue!! I can virtue signal on social media, maybe even change my facebook profile thingy whatever to some prefabricated thing someone else came up with. And all our problems will be solved.
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@Windows97 said in Laporte:
@mariner4life said in Laporte:
what can any of us really do about it? fucking nothing. Except have the double whammy of removing fun things from out lives, AND adding misery to your lives. Shrug your shoulders and move on.Oh that's so untrue!! I can virtue signal on social media, maybe even change my facebook profile thingy whatever to some prefabricated thing someone else came up with. And all our problems will be solved.
Or a God-bothering Tongan people can pile into.
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@Machpants I think we know that. The joke was that with AIG if you were focussing on corruption you were probably missing the bigger picture, which is that they are a dumpster fire of an organisation.
Maybe I need to start using irony flags if such a thing exists.
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I mean with the pall of corruption hanging over the RWC in France one could move it somewhere else I suppose.
But such actions would result in an awful lot of money being hurt and in this intellectual, enlightened age of rights and freedoms nothing could be worse than that.
*Disclaimer - this post comes with JC's irony flag.
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Fucking Laporte. Time to re-visit 2007 me thinks. Henry suspected match fixing and urged NZR to ask for an investigation but they never did. The most lopsided refereeing performance of all time, like the Donald Bradman of lopsided refereeing performances with just 2 penalties awarded to the team bitch slapping their opponents all over the park while they cheat at every second ruck trying to hold on, benefited this rich and now confirmed corrupt assholes team.
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@Windows97 said in Laporte:
I'm sure people will say they're shocked and appalled - as they should.
Whilst all happily heading off the the RWC in France like nothing ever happened...
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@No-Quarter You reckon he got Suzie to deliver the envelope of cash?
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@Crucial so this comment:
“We have been in discussions on the possibility of this outcome for some time,” NZ Rugby said in a statement.
So I realise negotiations between NZR & Altrad would have started well before the change from AIG to Altrad last year, but how long would they (Altrad) have known about this, would NZR have known when in negotiations? Cos Altrad being handed a suspended sentence now, then this has been going on for some time, surely?
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@No-Quarter said in Laporte:
Fucking Laporte. Time to re-visit 2007 me thinks. Henry suspected match fixing and urged NZR to ask for an investigation but they never did. The most lopsided refereeing performance of all time, like the Donald Bradman of lopsided refereeing performances with just 2 penalties awarded to the team bitch slapping their opponents all over the park while they cheat at every second ruck trying to hold on, benefited this rich and now confirmed corrupt assholes team.
As much as I want to agree with this and for all his many faults, Barnes does appear to have some integrity and I cannot imagine him having been on the take. It was just sheer incompetence and had it been against certain other countries his international reffing days probably would have been numbered.
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@taniwharugby said in Laporte:
@Crucial so this comment:
“We have been in discussions on the possibility of this outcome for some time,” NZ Rugby said in a statement.
So I realise negotiations between NZR & Altrad would have started well before the change from AIG to Altrad last year, but how long would they (Altrad) have known about this, would NZR have known when in negotiations? Cos Altrad being handed a suspended sentence now, then this has been going on for some time, surely?
Would have had to have been part of full disclosure. Even though they are providing money, NZR are providing the product and would do full due diligence on anyone that wanted to connect.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Laporte:
@No-Quarter said in Laporte:
Fucking Laporte. Time to re-visit 2007 me thinks. Henry suspected match fixing and urged NZR to ask for an investigation but they never did. The most lopsided refereeing performance of all time, like the Donald Bradman of lopsided refereeing performances with just 2 penalties awarded to the team bitch slapping their opponents all over the park while they cheat at every second ruck trying to hold on, benefited this rich and now confirmed corrupt assholes team.
As much as I want to agree with this and for all his many faults, Barnes does appear to have some integrity and I cannot imagine him having been on the take. It was just sheer incompetence and had it been against certain other countries his international reffing days probably would have been numbered.
I dunno man, a young ref that made his debut the year before inexplicably given a huge match and then being pressured by powerful and extremely rich people in the game to favour a home team at a RWC is not beyond the realms of possibility. In fact when you look at the way it was reffed, it looks quite likely. It's just such an aberration that "incompetence" doesn't do enough to explain it for me. I don't know if we'll ever really find out what happened there. I think other sports would have definitely launched an investigation, but rugby has this "don't question the ref" mentality (or at least did back then) which meant we just decided to take it on the nose instead.
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@Crucial well yeah thats what I was alluding to, you'd expect NZR had done thier due diligence, were aware this was a likely outcome, and therefore in the negotiations, determined a response if this eventuated.
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@taniwharugby said in Laporte:
@Crucial well yeah thats what I was alluding to, you'd expect NZR had done thier due diligence, were aware this was a likely outcome, and therefore in the negotiations, determined a response if this eventuated.
Don't forget that they are dealing with Frogs. I don't mean that as flippant, they have their own ways of working and dealing with things just as dealing with, say, a Chinese company would.
I worked for a multinational roll out across US, Japanese and French owned companies (think car manufacturers/brands) and by far the most difficult arm to deal with was the French.
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@No-Quarter is on a watch list lads. This is how it starts.
He's like four steps from sovereign citizenry
(i might need to be added to said list because what he says is making a lot of sense)
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It is a huge leap to think that anyone would waste money on trying to guarantee an outcome in a game like that. Who could predict a forward pass leading to a try?
Barnes was a new patsy but even then his appointment could have gone either way as far as a result goes.
If there is any hint of a place to go looking then maybe the ARs would be the place to spend money. They can help with the non calls and get to mark lineout positions.
Not casting aspersions at the individuals (Kaplan and Spreadbury?) just saying that would be the area you could look to gain influence. Would be a frivolous spend though. -
@Crucial you can't guarantee a result, but you can heavily favour one team and strongly influence the outcome. From memory (this was in Henry's book) he wanted the whole refereeing team investigated and produced damning video and statistical evidence of just how bad it was, e.g. the French could have been penalised up to 40 times but were only pinged twice, and I think not at all in the last 60 odd minutes which is absolutely bananas given they defended for most of the game.
@mariner4life I try to keep my conspiracies limited to sport, given how corrupt governments around the world are it'd be easy to fall down some giant rabbit holes there.
