FIFA World Cup 2022
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@canefan said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
This is where sky is a problem. My sky box has no power so I can't record the game. If it was on demand like spark I could watch it later. Hopefully it's on demand on sky go but I'll have to run it through my phone and chrome cast as there is no sky go app on my tv
It's not there yet, but once the replay becomes available, you should be able to find it here on Sky Go:
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I really enjoyed that France v England game - not always the highest quality but compelling and you always felt a goal was coming at either end unlike the other quarter-finals.
In the end, France carved out the clearer chances whereas England played very well at times but didn't get the bit of luck they needed in the box.
Not really sure why so many people are complaining about the ref - England had 2 penalties and numerous attacking free kicks. The foul on Kane in the first half was outside the box which is why the VAR did not refer the ref to the monitor. English exasperation at EVERY decision was getting tedious by the end.
Crazy foul on Mount to give away the 2nd penalty. Tough on Kane to take it - the temptation to double and triple guess yourself must be huge given Lloris is a good shot stopper.
Final petty observation - Rashford's final free kick was not close despite it rippling the top of the net and it annoys me when commentators get excited about it. Lloris knew it was sailing over from the moment the kick was taken.
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It was very strange by Hernandez. Am I right in thinking that if the contact had been shoulder to shoulder (rather than to the back) it would have been legal?
I was surprised that Giroud didn't make more of a fuss when he was pushed in the back off the ball making a run into the box.
Agreed that that was a fun match though, I'm slightly afraid that that's going to end up a better match than either semi or the final.
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@Cyclops said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
It was very strange by Hernandez. Am I right in thinking that if the contact had been shoulder to shoulder (rather than to the back) it would have been legal?
Yes. The stupid thing is that Mount was never reaching the ball anyway as it was too high.
I was surprised that Giroud didn't make more of a fuss when he was pushed in the back off the ball making a run into the box.
I mentioned that earlier. The refs non-decisions went both ways. Michael Oliver is the only QF ref who seems to have escaped any criticism from players and the media.
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@Bovidae said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Cyclops said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
It was very strange by Hernandez. Am I right in thinking that if the contact had been shoulder to shoulder (rather than to the back) it would have been legal?
Yes. The stupid thing is that Mount was never reaching the ball anyway as it was too high.
I was surprised that Giroud didn't make more of a fuss when he was pushed in the back off the ball making a run into the box.
I mentioned that earlier. The refs non-decisions went both ways. Michael Oliver is the only QF ref who seems to have escaped any criticism from players and the media.
I find it an amazing that a 'sporting' culture allows open criticism, accusation and name calling of officials tbh.
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@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
I find it an amazing that a 'sporting' culture allows open criticism, accusation and name calling of officials tbh.
That culture starts on the field when players rush to the ref and get in their faces with complaints/whinges. It's a big black mark on the sport.
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Lol like rugby is really any fucking better these days
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@mariner4life said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Lol like rugby is really any fucking better these days
Surely you’re joking?!!
When was the last time you saw 7 rugby players up in a refs face yelling and gesturing at him while he takes a few steps backwards?
Happens multiple times a game in soccer
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There should be warnings given with a swift move to a yellow card to any player yelling at a ref or getting in his face. March the free kick 10m as well, that would have a massive impact for any infringements 30-40m out
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All sports have their negatives - it is what it is.
Football has diving and referee intimidation
Rugby has ridiculous rules and stoppages.
Cricket tries to do anything not to play in the event of a hint of wet weather.
Basketball has flopping
Etc etc
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@KiwiMurph said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
All sports have their negatives - it is what it is.
Football has diving and referee intimidation
Rugby has ridiculous rules and stoppages.
Cricket tries to do anything not to play in the event of a hint of wet weather.
Basketball has flopping
Etc etc
*laws
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Cricket is the best from an officiating POV, compared to other sports there's very little controversy, the last CWC final excepted!!
Nearly every rugby game is centered around the refs these days, it's actually become really tiresome. It's an impossible game to ref, if people want it reffed to the letter then they'll have to put up with even more stoppages.
Soccer is an interesting one, the theatrics are all part of the sport really, players diving for penalties and trying to influence the ref as much as possible to get calls go their way is part of the tactics and the refs know it's coming. It'd take a pretty massive culture change to try and get rid of it from the game, and I'm not convinced everyone would want to see that aspect changed.
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@voodoo said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
There should be warnings given with a swift move to a yellow card to any player yelling at a ref or getting in his face. March the free kick 10m as well, that would have a massive impact for any infringements 30-40m out
Watched certain players from Wales or Ireland recently.
But every nation now actively asks for cards
And then you get what happens after the game. Starting with the losing coach in the presser. Or a coach trying to get an important player off a suspension.
Rugby is not this paragon of virtue that some like to make it out to be. And those that do try are usually bell ends
Soccer is worse for that no doubt. But rugby has it's own diving and ref whinging, and both are getting worse.
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Kane should have kept it simple with the second penalty and thumped it down the middle. There was no way the goalie was staying still after the first one being right in the corner.
Massive choke.
Absolutely appalling from a well-paid athlete.
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Karma’s a bitch
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@mariner4life the arm flapping at the ref in rugby which has been going on for years is another one I can’t stand.
@voodoo I honestly think that it will take a generation to change in football. If some ref today tried to stamp it out by handing out cards and warnings etc, he would probably be lynched after the match (that’s how bad it is)
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ACT Crusaderreplied to No Quarter on 11 Dec 2022, 11:21 last edited by ACT Crusader 11 Dec 2022, 11:23
@No-Quarter but cricket has come some way after an appalling period of LBW calls and caught behinds. There was plenty of player dissent as bowlers walked back to their run ups past an umpire. Or a batter giving death stares after shockers and handing out a few choice words. DRS and reviews have had a significantly positive impact on the game.
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@ACT-Crusader said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@mariner4life the arm flapping at the ref in rugby which has been going on for years is another one I can’t stand.
@voodoo I honestly think that it will take a generation to change in football. If some ref today tried to stamp it out by handing out cards and warnings etc, he would probably be lynched after the match (that’s how bad it is)
They tried it one season in England
Lasted 3 matches
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@Bones said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Did Harry miss a pen? He's usually so reliable, but he was facing his club captain in Lloris, who's probably faced him more than anyone else
Hoofed it over
Wow that's not his usual play. Nerves
Hoofed it over about 3 goals.
Great effort by Rashford, gets that 6 inches lower and it's going into a defender's head anyway.
What the fuck was the point in bringing on the invisible Sterling before Rashford?
Particularly when Saka was the most threatening player on the pitch.
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Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
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@ACT-Crusader said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@mariner4life the arm flapping at the ref in rugby which has been going on for years is another one I can’t stand.
@voodoo I honestly think that it will take a generation to change in football. If some ref today tried to stamp it out by handing out cards and warnings etc, he would probably be lynched after the match (that’s how bad it is)
Yeah you already see refs getting pushed and pulled when leaving the pitch over relatively minor decisions, I really don't get why they or the association put up with it.
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@MiketheSnow said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
Agreed. Sara and Henderson also should have stayed on as they were both owning that right side.
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It was a plan as cunning as a fox that had just been made Professor of Cunning at the Sorbonne from the French last night.
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Foul the English repeatedly if they got in the box and hope the Brazilian referee would not give Les Rostbifs a penalty.
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Hope that the thought of 56 years of hurt would weigh heavily on English minds as they waited to kick the ball from twelve yards.
It worked a treat.
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@Bones said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
The 'wouldn't happen in rugby' comment was stupid as we have all seen times when things flipped into that territory in passionate moments ('Four more years'?) and certain players out there (look for the green shirts ) are happy to be the ref's faces all the time.
Instead of finger pointing at individual happenings though, take a step back and observe the pervading cultures of the sports.
I admire the skills of football and also how, what is a simple game, generates such rabid fandom. However, if I had a kid involved in the sport I would be doing lots to try to counter the messages they received as part of the game. For me, sports for kids are a great way of them learning life lessons and I just don't like the lessons that are an acceptable part of behaviour in football.
Respect the officials and respect the opposition are still a big part of rugby despite the odd idiot. I can't say the same for football.
Just my opinion.
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Amazing that France only made one subsitution!
Maybe a sign that their bench depth is thin having lost a fair few players pre and early tournament.
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@junior said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
Agreed. Sara and Henderson also should have stayed on as they were both owning that right side.
Henderson was running around like a madman in the 2nd half until the time he came off and was also covering a lot of ground in the first half - it was clear he had been told when he was to be subbed. Not sure on Saka and if he could have played at the same level for the full 90/100.
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@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
The 'wouldn't happen in rugby' comment was stupid as we have all seen times when things flipped into that territory in passionate moments ('Four more years'?) and certain players out there (look for the green shirts ) are happy to be the ref's faces all the time.
But you've gotta admit that '4 more years' is good banter, versus just screaming in the oppositions faces
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Wow, I've been shocked at today. It's genuinely felt like a day after AB's knocked out of RWC day.
Kind of amazing in that I expected England to lose this match & had close to zero hope of them winning the tournament. That and I guess I didn't realise I was THAT Big of a fan of their team. Ok, thats not true.
The game was a great match. England had a lot of control but France were just so strong on the break. They were so fast, and it really felt like their up front guys were a class above. England players are just not at the same level, although there is a lot of young talent there so they should be a real chance over the next couple of tournaments (which means they won't).
Very unpredictable semi finals. I'm seeing France-Argentina final with France prevailing. My support will be for the Croat's though. Really big fan of this team.
It has also been really nice to read nothing about fan trouble, zero arrests etc. Might be something in this Qatar blueprint, after all. Who would've thunk it!
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@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@duke said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie
You’re dreaming. That’s the kind of thing that turns people off soccer. He was barely touched.Really? You've not watched much of the game then have you? Every professional would have gone down at that point from any nation. Lord Harry Kane is a master of it.
Just because they would all do it doesn't mean that it doesn't turn people off the game. Sport shouldn't be about play acting.
I used to hold this view too. But as KiwiPie states above, it was a clear penalty and those that follow the game a lot understand why.
The thing is, that there is diving and then there is diving. Just because you didn't necessarily get physically taken out, it doesn't mean that it's not a penalty. In a lot of situations, the player will avoid the contact and go down to prove the point. If a leg is just thrown out there, and your direct path is blocked by it (and especially when in the box), your choices are either
- Run in the leg, risk injury, go down and likely get the penalty
- Avoid the leg, go down & likely get the penalty
- Take a less direct route the ball which means you may lose a sec or so & then continue on at a disadvantage of what you should have been.
This certainly doesn't apply in all situations, but there has been a few where people call diving when ithe player has taken option 2. There are genuine bullshitting divers out there, don't get me wrong. But the above happens a lot.
Side note on the Saka situation yesterday. the VAR check was right, as it wasn't a penalty. However, how the fuck the ref didn't call the foul initially (and therefore a free kick to England just outside the box), I'll never know. It was about as a blatant of a foul as you'll see.
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Daniele Orsato is the ref for the Argentina-Croatia game. He has been good in the games I've seen him officiate. Reading some of the stories about the behaviour of the Argentinean players towards the Dutch after the penalty shootout I hope Croatia wins. The Argies need to win in normal time otherwise their fate is sealed.
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@Billy-Tell said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
The one Kane slotted into the net? That's a clear cut example of what a penalty should be: Defender misses the ball and takes out the attacked inside the box.
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@antipodean said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
The one Kane slotted into the net? That's a clear cut example of what a penalty should be: Defender misses the ball and takes out the attacked inside the box.
You need to have followed the Argentina vs Holland match comments. This was a firmly tongue in cheek comment
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@dogmeat England match? Absolutely bizarre to blame the ref when England got given every chance to win as well as kicking a goal Wilkinson would have been proud of.
I was just amused how far out of reality Neville is. It definitely helps paint a picture in other areas....
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Does anyone else think it's ironic that Harry Kane saved English fans from the pain of exiting the WC in a penalty shootout by missing a penalty??
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@Windows97 said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Does anyone else think it's ironic that Harry Kane saved English fans from the pain of exiting the WC in a penalty shootout by missing a penalty??
Took one for the team.
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