Japan v All Blacks
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Cane talks through tour-ending injury in Tokyo
All Blacks captain Sam Cane faces a visit to a New Zealand specialist to learn whether the two cheekbone fractures he suffered in the 38-31 win over Japan on Saturday will require surgery and the possible insertion of a plate to aid his recovery.
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@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
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@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
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@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Japan v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
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@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
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@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
Wing? Two, max. It is the way
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
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Have avoided the thread as I'm pretty sure what is being said. But I'll throw my tuppence out there four days later. So late it's probably no longer relevant or of any interest, but anyways ... in no particular order...
- Kind of echoed the ABs season to date as a whole. Just when you thought they were well on top they slipped up.
- On the whole ABs deserved the win.
- The defence just before halftime was the biggest issue for me. That was not excusable. It meant that the underdogs found belief. Add in a lucky try and what should have been comfortable gets tricky.
- Hugely surprised that our forwards could not establish dominance. That Japan achieved parity kept our attack at bay.
- Impressed with Warner Dearns. (Which leads me to a side issue that is better explored in another thread re eligibility.)
- Impressed with our offload game when we got it going.
- Pass from Mo to RTS was fine. I called it forward on first view, but replays showed it clearly back out of the hand.
- Which leads me to commentators:
a. Mrs Boo asked during the game "Why did Marshall ever bother playing for the All Blacks if he hates them so much?"
b. I kinda understand why Auckland/Blues fans don't like TJ as his cheerleading for Japan got on my wick. - I thought RTS was excellent
- Further to point 4 above, I felt we were too eager to kick the ball away after not many phases. Kinda wondered if it was deliberate to test our defense. Well it worked... it was tested ... and found wanting.
- There were a number of people pointing out how well Japan has played this year and how likely they were to win. I suspect many of the same will be pointing out how useless the ABs are for not crushing that same team that was likely to beat us.
- We won. Deservedly. But by no means convincingly. I'd normally channel Steve Hansen and flush the dunny, but there's plenty to focus on from that game that needs fixing.
May go back and read the thread now. Might not.
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@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
If he's 99kgs he must be storing some of Dame Val's shotputs in there!
People need to stop quoting internet weights, which have been repeatedly shown to be highly unreliable* and use their eyes. Sevu - short, and relative to other ABs, pretty slight. Low-90kgs at best. About the same weight as Beaudy, possibly not quite as much.
99kgs will be about Will Jordan and if anyone thinks Sevu is as big as Will, they need to get their telly fixed or go to bed wearing gumboots on their hands.
- Highly unreliable internet weights - here's the official ABs site saying Sevu is 87kgs. I reckon he's probably a few kgs more than that. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1182
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Two other points further to the above ...
- The work experience kid from Georgia has potential, but he's not up to Test level yet, and we shouldn't have to suffer through his on the job training. Not complaining mind you as we got away with all sorts in the breakdown.
- Difficult to complain about BBBR's red. Personally I thought red was a bit much, maybe mitigation due to height, point of first impact, and the "low level of danger" clause cited by the women's RWC refs, but that arm tuck...
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https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape
Reece must have some kind of instant photo shop going as that does not describe what I see at all
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He doesn't have anywhere near the power Laumape possesed, that's just fanciful thinking. He's quick on his feet which allows him to get on the outside shoulder of the defender. I don't think I recall him ever going right over the top of anyone.
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In fact the main reason Clarke is ahead of him on the left is his power game.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
If you don't write surveys for the government already, maybe you should. That question was asked in a way to elicite only one answer.
Will Jordan — Tasman Mako
