Bledisloe 1
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@mariner4life go back and read the thread, people bitching about DP and HS.
Just saying they come in cold, and get grilled.
Well there needs to be development, don't expect weekly changes, but they can still develop without doing that.
What has happened this year is the result of 2+ years of ignoring issues in front of you.
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@Crucial Yup agree on the Clarke theory on him being told to shoot up. Its a very high risk strategy especially with our widest man being given the task of doing it and I also don't like it as its asking a hell of a lot from Rieko Ioane to cover in behind him with the sweeping player (usually Mo'unga), and by that time, the support runners have already swept around which creates the overlap anyway.
The risk is certainly higher than the reward in the strategy.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life go back and read the thread, people bitching about DP and HS.
Just saying they come in cold, and get grilled.
Well there needs to be development, don't expect weekly changes, but they can still develop without doing that.
What has happened this year is the result of 2+ years of ignoring issues in front of you.
i think we are also a victim of our structure. Basically, from mid-June, if you are not playing in a test, you have nothing meaningful to play. And with all due respect, NPC rugby is a glorified club game compared to test rugby.
So basically the first choice guys play, everyone else goes cold.
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@mariner4life although I think this year the starting 15 has been changed less than in many, many years...
This isn't really due to how well they were playing, was a combination of lack of choices in squad and clinging to jobs.
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@mariner4life its a paradox though isn;t it, NPC quality drops at least partially because the best players dont play in it
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble I regularly mute match threads for that reason. Often too negative and too many broken records. Not enough celebrating good things.
Interesting you say that when you have been one of the most vocal critics of Beauden when he plays, constantly searching for negatives even when he's played well.
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@No-Quarter Your memory is wrong. I haven't posted much in match threads this year, and that includes posts about BB.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life although I think this year the starting 15 has been changed less than in many, many years...
This isn't really due to how well they were playing, was a combination of lack of choices in squad and clinging to jobs.
in my eyes the best team plays every week unless they are unable to. I LIKE the way they have handled it this year. Especially with a week off after every 2nd game. And it's not like guys coming off the bench are actually enhancing us. in most cases it's been the other way.
Yes you take the chance of last night's situation. But i believe Sotutu would have played better had Frizzell been playing. Or even Cane stayed on, as there is only minor disruption. Not wholesale.
But that is obviously just my opinion
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@mariner4life I agree with you that they should be looking to start the same team as much as possible. What's hampered us this year is we haven't been able to introduce new players to test footy from the bench as we've been under the pump so often.
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Its amazing how full the websphere is at the moment about a 79th minute correct refereeing decision.
Oh, rugby, oh how I no longer love thee.
I do wonder about an alternate reality where referees were never miced up back in the 90s, and morphed into on field coaches.
"But sir, you only warned me once?, oh was it twice? But I didn't hear the second warning, how can I be to blame for pushing it beyond the taking-the-piss mark if I only heard one warning and one time-off?"
Keep quiet, keep them guessing, I reckon we'd be amazed at the good behavior.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life I agree with you that they should be looking to start the same team as much as possible. What's hampered us this year is we haven't been able to introduce new players to test footy from the bench as we've been under the pump so often.
i think our bench has been an issue performance-wise. I don't seem to recall too many guys coming on and immediately impacting a game positively. And that definitely would have impacted the coaches thinking.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean you certainly don't seem like the kind of bloke who is ever happy, let's be honest eh.
What an unnecessary post.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
It’s a scrum not free kick. Law 20 “taking a penalty or free kick”
This literally comes from the World Rugby website (Law 9.7.d)!
Have you read law 20? The section I referred to?
A penalty or free-kick must be taken without delay.
Sanction: scrum.
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@Billy-Tell Not the same thing.
Law 9.7 is a worse form of offending: time wasting.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell Not the same thing.
Law 9.7 is a worse form of offending: time wasting.
Ok we leave it at that. He doesn’t take the penalty quickly so he gets a scrum as per law 20.
If it was a worst form of offending argument you would expect a penalty rather than a free kick.
But happy to disagree.
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@Billy-Tell if there was ever a rule that has never before been enforced.
I mean, seriously. What penalty is ever taken without delay? It's rugby ffs - delay is all there is.
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@taniwharugby dreaming if you think that's gunna happen mate.
Except for that one 40 second period where fast play was very important to the game of rugby football it'll be back to 20 minute TMO reviews and 47 scrum resets.
Aaaaanyway, glorious dead rubber next week. How good.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
LOL Mo'unga "the composure from both teams was awesome". Nether team had anything that remotely resembled composure
He’s got that media speak down pat aye…
What I would counter is that White kicking that goal to go up 3 was composed. Ol mate Giteau and even Foley have missed easier ones in similar positions in their careers
Plus when we had phase ball after that final scrum, back in the day you almost could guarantee that some tight forward (ala Greg Somerville, John Afoa etc) would’ve just dropped the ball cold. We actually built nicely and Coles I thought made a smart play not to get held up when he was just cms from the post/try line.
The offload to Jordie and to score - that’s a bit of composure when the choccies were on the line.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell if there was ever a rule that has never before been enforced.
I mean, seriously. What penalty is ever taken without delay? It's rugby ffs - delay is all there is.
If we didn’t have the game run from Europe we wouldn’t allow any of this. Big challenge for rugby is bringing back space for skilful players. Part of that has to be speeding it up. It’s a collision game but the slower you allow it to become the more it becomes just about the collisions…and the yellow cards.
