All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Argentina lost to Scotland 8 weeks ago.
With Scotland's stars on holiday
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
Maybe, there really isn't a huge amount of depth though?
I still don't understand the early continual benching of Saminsoni given Taylor is still having an abysmal run? Fitness issues? He looked fine to me.The worst thing is the same errors keep repeating, not being able to play to the ref being one of them.
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@MiketheSnow Smorgasbord?
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@Stag said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph did you blink and miss the Crusaders destroying the Blues line out, in a final, with Taylor throwing in the ball…
Codie had nothing to do with the Crusaders stealing all the Blues lineouts
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Yeah cheeseboard my mind is in a spin as well
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Congratulations to Argentina and their coach. Hardworking, play as a team and play to their strengths.
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Other countries commentators used to quip that anyone could coach the All Blacks and win.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Argentina lost to Scotland 8 weeks ago.
With Scotland's stars on holiday
Scotland have got stars ?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stag said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph did you blink and miss the Crusaders destroying the Blues line out, in a final, with Taylor throwing in the ball…
Codie had nothing to do with the Crusaders stealing all the Blues lineouts
We went 11/11 on our own ball that night 😉
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Argentina lost to Scotland 8 weeks ago.
With Scotland's stars on holiday
Scotland have got stars ?
Yeah, Finn Hogg is his name, I think. Nickname Watson
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Pepe said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
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So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
Again... change that factor ...
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Pepe said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
End of
So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
Again... change that factor ...
Bollox, Arg got stung with some howlers as well. It went both ways. Arg dealt with it, our lot couldn't
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
Maybe, there really isn't a huge amount of depth though?
I still don't understand the early continual benching of Saminsoni given Taylor is still having an abysmal run? Fitness issues? He looked fine to me.The worst thing is the same errors keep repeating, not being able to play to the ref being one of them.
I think whatever about the depth, we have had 4 or 5 years now of picking what we HAVE got out of position/poorly selected.
Rieko is the 11.
Jordan is the FB
Give me an 8 at 8 and a 7 at 7.We have been fucking around with Barrett brothers at 10,15,14, wingers at centre, 7's at 8. Locks at 6. Dual playmakers.
Hooking the captain at 60 minutes on more than one occasion.
Its a tacit admission he isn't the right captain then.
Its a dogs breakfast of running a team.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
A nice side step run beating numerous players from the sideline bench to the middle of the park where the ball didn’t come near him.
Difficult when the ball can't even leave the lineout.
I think @antipodean commented above about Jordan not beating a single defender - TBH it would help if the inside ball did enough work to create space. Tonight the Argies were reading the attack well because it is basic as shit, 2nd-man dropoff pass stuff.
Test rugby has lately a dearth of creative set piece play due in part to improved defences. I think it is time some smart rugby people figured out how to bring it back.
