All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Crucial the fact he has had zero minutes in 6 tests (assuming no warm up injuries this week) is the head scratcher, but hey, if you cant appreciate that, all good.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
I have come around to just picking the best team every test (especially with the rest weeks).
Plus we need our best side out there because we actually have to build some confidence and fight for the win. 2 wins in 5 and all that….
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial the fact he has had zero minutes in 6 tests (assuming no warm up injuries this week) is the head scratcher, but hey, if you cant appreciate that, all good.
The first of those tests was the only option to try out players and in that the 'risk' was taken of two loose forwards on the bench. When would you have played him?
Yep, he has had the shitty end of the selection stick but I honestly can't see when he was going to get time so far. Like Perofeta who has had to wait for an injury.
No participation medals available here and I think the selectors recognise that hence the mention and praise from Foster for staying prepared to play and that showing in his NPC game.
I'd be pretty sure that they hope to cement this 23 then start working on the odd squad member game time. -
The Pero-future is now.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The first of those tests was the only option to try out players and in that the 'risk' was taken of two loose forwards on the bench. When would you have played him?
Yep, he has had the shitty end of the selection stick but I honestly can't see when he was going to get time so far.vs the Springboks last year he was on the bench and came on to replace Akira Ioane (who was 6) with Blackadder at 7 and Ardie at 8.
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taniwharugbyreplied to Crucial on 25 Aug 2022, 00:03 last edited by taniwharugby 25 Aug 2022, 00:04
@Crucial imagine if Ardie went down at training this week?
Sotutu would likely have to start at 8 as the only specialist, and has played how many minutes of NPC since his last super match?
Again, is putting alot on Ardie, who right now is playing the house down, but we dont want to burn him out either, pretty sur ehe is same age as So'oialo was when his form fell off a cliff, so IMO needs to be managed better.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The first of those tests was the only option to try out players and in that the 'risk' was taken of two loose forwards on the bench. When would you have played him?
Yep, he has had the shitty end of the selection stick but I honestly can't see when he was going to get time so far.vs the Springboks last year he was on the bench and came on to replace Akira Ioane (who was 6) with Blackadder at 7 and Ardie at 8.
Last year he got 2 full games (Italy, USA), 11 minutes against SA, 66 against Argentina, and 67 against Fiji.
From that he has been preferred to Jacobsen (who he often shared with), and the promise of Grace. Who knows what his place would be if Blackadder was around. -
@taniwharugby Ardie’s only 28. I don’t think he’s playing any more minutes than what Read was playing at the same age. Rodders form drop only came in his last season as an AB (when he was 30).
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial imagine if Ardie went down at training this week?
Sotutu would likely have to start at 8 as the only specialist, and has played how many minutes of NPC since his last super match?
Again, is putting alot on Ardie, who right now is playing the house down, but we dont want to burn him out either, pretty sur ehe is same age as So'oialo was when his form fell off a cliff, so IMO needs to be managed better.
Isn't building on the last game a priority here? Resting Savea would upset so much of the patterns etc that they had been building toward.
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he's a professional rugby player in his prime, asked to play 2 games in 3 weeks. He's not an audit senior in busy season. Play the man. If he breaks, we bring the next guy in.
This only becomes an issue really if you lose like 8 guys at the same time, on like a thursday.
Rotation is highly over rated.
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Foster says Beauden Barrett’s injury isn’t too serious and it’s “day-by-day” at the moment in terms of his return.
“Knock in the neck in a cleanout drill … no HIA issues.”
Foster adds that he hopes he will be available next week.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
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so we should deliberately play a worse team now in case we might have to play a worse team later?
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@mariner4life Who are you replying to?
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A series between NZ A and Australia A could be really useful right now.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
so we should deliberately play a worse team now in case we might have to play a worse team later?
Not all tests are created equal.
So you give some lesser guys a run in some of the lesser tests, in case you happen to need them in some bigger tests later - they're hopefully a bit more prepared.
This is not the week for that, though.
Next game might be - if we can win well this week.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
so we should deliberately play a worse team now in case we might have to play a worse team later?
Not all tests are created equal.
So you give some lesser guys a run in some of the lesser tests, in case you happen to need them in some bigger tests later - they're hopefully a bit more prepared.
This is not the week for that, though.
Next game might be - if we can win well this week.
Definitely not. Blood all the new guys against shit teams like Scotland.
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Worth mentioning that this will be Nugget's 100th.
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@FakatavaAllBlack
Saturday will see a special milestone achieved by one of the team’s key players. New Zealand’s most capped international halfback, Aaron Smith (107), will mark his 100th Test start when the sides kick off their Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship clash.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-named-for-test-against-argentina-in-christchurch/
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial 100th start?
Yep. Only 7 matches from the bench. That may the lowest ratio of our centurions or fastest to 100 starts or something. Will see if I can work it out
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Americas Rugby News' preview of the test:
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@Stargazer wow first time since 2018 Foster has named same starting XV for consecutive matches
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@bayimports said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer wow first time since 2018 Foster has named same starting XV for consecutive matches
I wouldn't mind betting that there are an awful lot of tier 1 in the same boat. The injury toll in rugby is horrendus, I would think Rennie has had to make even more changes.
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Mils was only 5 tests as a sub but didn't reach 100 starts
BB only 70 starts so far
O Franks didn't quite reach 100 starts 98/108
DC 106/112. He reached his 100th start in his 107 tests
Woodcock reached his 100th start in 112 tests
Read reached his 100th start in 107 tests
Mealamu didn't reach 100 startsJust need to look at GOAT and Whitelock
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
A series between NZ A and Australia A could be really useful right now.
Australia A played Argentina the other week. They don't have the depth for such a fixture right now.
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Confirmation in that interview that Ryan is a selector now.
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Fozzie said Nepo and Ofa are working their way back from injuries.
Heat on the young props not to lose their spots = good. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mils was only 5 tests as a sub but didn't reach 100 starts
BB only 70 starts so far
O Franks didn't quite reach 100 starts 98/108
DC 106/112. He reached his 100th start in his 107 tests
Woodcock reached his 100th start in 112 tests
Read reached his 100th start in 107 tests
Mealamu didn't reach 100 startsJust need to look at GOAT and Whitelock
Whitelock took 118 to get 100 starts
GOAT took 106So in summary if my previous maths was correct the 100 start mark was reached in
106 McCaw
107 Carter
107 Read
107 A Smith
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@Daffy-Jaffy you can certainly see why the players like him, seems very personable, and given how under the pump he has been, must be a nice change for him...
I hope Ellis Park is the turning point for him and this group, confidence breeds confidence, and with it comes luck too.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
so we should deliberately play a worse team now in case we might have to play a worse team later?
Not all tests are created equal.
So you give some lesser guys a run in some of the lesser tests, in case you happen to need them in some bigger tests later - they're hopefully a bit more prepared.
This is not the week for that, though.
Next game might be - if we can win well this week.
When you are 2 out of your last 5, every test against a tier 1 side is equal….
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
106 McCaw
107 CarterThe disrespect of the ABs by not starting McCaw and Carter in a test match. Cheapened the jersey
@bayimports same starting lineup in consecutive tests = Fozzie has run out of ideas
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Why are they asking a guy from Feilding and another from Taranaki how excited they are to play at 'home'?
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Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
so we should deliberately play a worse team now in case we might have to play a worse team later?
You think having Fakatava or Sotutu on the bench makes the team that much "worse"?
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