All Blacks v Pumas 1
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Foster on Cane after yesterdays test
"Clearly he (Cane) is under the spotlight,'' Foster said. "We are all under the spotlight when things don't go well. But behind the scenes, (he is) strong.
"I thought a lot of his tackle and work around the breakdown was a big shift up in the last two games, and we are pleased with that.''
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
That is some super weak sauce
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
That is some super weak sauce
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out
Grant Fox said the same thing earlier this year.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
We would've won with Jimmy Gopperth
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I do not know of any other sport or any other team for that matter that would have allowed the coach to stay on with the record that Foster has in the last couple of years. The rot starts at the top and the whole NZ board should have a look at themselves and there decisions. It is just a good old boys club that needs to cleared out. If they Robinson and Foster do not go then we could be in for a few years of heart ache. I do not care if Foster is s good bloke. If this goes on and he does not resign then he has no shame.
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Rewatched Q3. Lots I could say, but we turned down two kickable penalties. Both led to nil points. First from highly dubious ‘blocking penalty’.
Game changers, in that if ABs within 3 going on to last 10 they’d never have lost.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Actually thought all 3 front row that came on were pretty average. Mind you they weren't alone.
Rewatch of Q3 suggests they were alright up to 60, apart from one ludicrous pass back from Bower 5m out.
You sick bastard
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Now 60 - 70. First Whitelock knock across at lineout called forward. Then ref misses clear knock on, then penalised Cane for off ball tackle on Mantera. So that three points should never have happened.
Then ABs hot on attack, with Akira doing lots of carrying. Rieko cuts back into traffic. Puma 12 off feet then back on and jackals. Is that legal? If not shot almost in front. As is ref says fine and then penalises us for sealing off. 🤔 -
Last 10. Just after Cane penalty ref warned him for repeated infringements near the 22. The Pumas had spent almost NO time in our half, and none in 22! Perhaps something he’d heard other refs say.
Lineout maul on halfway splinters. Then goes forward sidewise on two fronts. Frizell joins one front and pinged, which seemed marginal. But sent to bin because of bogus warning.
Then we get down to THEIR 22 for minutes at a time and Pumas offside at almost every breakdown. IMO REAL yellow card time but ref does nothing. Cardiff 2007.
Finally a penalty and straight Taylor throw (poss down our line) called not straight.
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@game_film said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman Great comparison. And still, like Cardiff 07, should have won despite the referee due to poor decision making from the leadership on the field.
Yep we have to take ref out of game. I was surprised at some of the decisions, but we have to find way to somehow get on top of them.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Now 60 - 70. First Whitelock knock across at lineout called forward. Then ref misses clear knock on, then penalised Cane for off ball tackle on Mantera. So that three points should never have happened.
Then ABs hot on attack, with Akira doing lots of carrying. Rieko cuts back into traffic. Puma 12 off feet then back on and jackals. Is that legal? If not shot almost in front. As is ref says fine and then penalises us for sealing off. 🤔The Cane penalty annoyed me. I guess with an inexperienced ref like that you were in his hands and needed to be careful but good refs realise when a dummy player is a legit option and committed tackles will happen. You want to pretend you are getting the ball then you can also cop a tackle IMO.
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had to laugh when one of the Argie players had slid down in a tackle, was lying on the ground holding our players foot as he tried to wade on while upright, and the ref told the player on the ground he had to release him.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
had to laugh when one of the Argie players had slid down in a tackle, was lying on the ground holding our players foot as he tried to wade on while upright, and the ref told the player on the ground he had to release him.
That was a clear penalty. The ref saw it. He commented on it. It continued and had an effect on play. Baffling.
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