All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
Yeah I thought he went alright.
I guess to extended my point using that game against Wales as an example; highlights the real issue about the ABs: using backline bullshit to win games for a decade and then slamming into brick wall defences that bullshit can't unlock.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
The Ardie at 8 is a really interesting phenominom, fenominum, phenomenon. Whatever. It started with coaches, I am pretty sure in ABs, realising his potential off the back of an attacking scrum. He's so fucking awesome at that. And even when he was playing 7, he'd go to the back for attacking scrums. That's really where is should have ended. But it didn't. And our best 7 since Richie has been unbalancing back rows since
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Big positive was the massive gate money taken tonight
Oh wait
On a serious note, the playing surface looked superb
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
What chance Gregor Paul will have an article tomorrow about why isn't Papalii playing ...
I don't have a problem at all that he's not playing, cos Ardie is so much much better. Really, paps is great but he's no Ardie. The point is more why Ardie and Cane are in the same loose trio.
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"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
Foster's learning curve:
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
It's all about the learnings
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
It's all about the learnings
I thought it was all about The Journey and/or blaming Deans?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
Foster's learning curve:
.Shouldn’t it be on -1 ?
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Is this rock bottom yet?
EoYT looming large, Japan? Wales?
Scotland 😁
I am rooting for Scotland
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I understand there is a never ending selection debate with this team but that XV was more than good enough to win. How many Pumas make the Boks starting XV?
I’d love to know - it would be a far reach for a journalist to ask - how many of the refs matches the AB coaching team watched? Inexcusable failure to adapt.
The first thing that had me screaming at the Tv was kicking sticks for the first penalty - 40m out on the angle.
At any sport at any level, you can’t have your captain getting consistently dragged in tight games. Can’t happen.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I do, however, question the effectiveness of the AB leadership group. Are they too powerful?
Very good point.
They backed Foster and probably swung the balance in his favor and then, in this age of feelings over results and the fear of angering the players, the NZR lacked the balls to sack him.Pure surmise on anyone's part, but I don't think it was just that. He was backed by Schmidt, IIRC and the way Foster was treated by NZR would get anyone's sympathy and strong support from within the team
Edit: For clarity. I was more referring to the Snr Players influence on how the whole set-up runs, rather than their influence on coaching personnel.
I wonder if a few in that group were worried about being replaced by Razor.
Who would they be and why would they want to continue losing?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
...and that's why you don't make a decision to back a losing coach on the back of one win. What a fucking debacle.
Yep, I thought the accolades for Jason Ryan after one v. good forwards performance was a bit OTT.
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Really weird loss, ABs always looked in control of all phases of play (except for when Taylor threw the LOs, of course). The referee was extremely generous towards the defending team, and seeing as the ABs had so much ball (because ARG defence was good), they got penalised a lot. That refereeing made the game extremely unfun to watch, he rewarded any split second of jackaling, even if cleaned out right after. Argies never looked dangerous, their try was a fluke (and shame on you, Aaron Smith), and ABs still managed to fuck it up. Bad decision making & leadership
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I remember listening to Mark Ella talk about getting your "point of difference" players into the game. He was referring to Folau at the time and how Australia needed to get the ball in his hands as much as possible.
We have 4 points of difference players for me at the moment and they are all being misused.
Samisoni : Underutilised
Will Jordan : wrong position
Ardie Savea : wrong position
Rieko Ioane : wrong position
