All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
A nice side step run beating numerous players from the sideline bench to the middle of the park where the ball didn’t come near him.
Difficult when the ball can't even leave the lineout.
I think @antipodean commented above about Jordan not beating a single defender - TBH it would help if the inside ball did enough work to create space. Tonight the Argies were reading the attack well because it is basic as shit, 2nd-man dropoff pass stuff.
Test rugby has lately a dearth of creative set piece play due in part to improved defences. I think it is time some smart rugby people figured out how to bring it back.
Watch the Australia match
I have. We are largely the same but add a few angles. That try to McReight was great tho - excellent use of variation and putting the ball into space in front of the man, rather than at the man was lovely.
The first try was just pace that the Boks couldn't handle.
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“dont cry for me aotearoa”
Made me LOL
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Y'know what pisses me off about this game? We were the better team throughout.
It was like one one those soccer games where the inferior team just kept in touch and snuck a breakout goal then did just enough to stay in front.
Same here. We were the better team but couldn't land the killer blow.
We just kept leaving the door open for them.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Y'know what pisses me off about this game? We were the better team throughout.
It was like one one those soccer games where the inferior team just kept in touch and snuck a breakout goal then did just enough to stay in front.
Same here. We were the better team but couldn't land the killer blow.
We just kept leaving the door open for them.
By making the same stupid mistakes, over and over and over and over
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
Jeepers this is about your tenth post about Cane.
No more ferning for you tonight, go and have a lie down.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Y'know what pisses me off about this game? We were the better team throughout.
It was like one one those soccer games where the inferior team just kept in touch and snuck a breakout goal then did just enough to stay in front.
Same here. We were the better team but couldn't land the killer blow.
We just keot leaving the door open for them.
It's almost like our individual players are good but the team is not working together. I wonder where the buck stops with taht?
Yup McLeod, the bus driver, and the physio. Sack the incompetent piston wristed gibbons
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
And despite what you want, Ardie should be in his shirt and role. Then we can get a proper 8, and a 7/captain that plays the full 80, leads from the front and has been the ABs best player for years. Yes his captaincy is not the best, but neither was McCaws when he started
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@Machpants Yeah, Savea would be a way better 7 than him.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
He was no Codie Taylor
Thank fuck there's only one
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BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-Brown -
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
He was no Codie Taylor
Thank fuck there's only one
They could clone him just like Star Wars Stormtroopers. For accuracy.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
Good analogy, Arnie is 75.
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What you wouldn't give for SBW and Crotty now eh?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
This
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
What you wouldn't give for SBW and Crotty now eh?
Given they were a substantial step down from Nonu and Smith I hate to imagine the slow, unskilled, tiny donkeys in the AB 12 and 13 jerseys come 2024……
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
Love you #booboo
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
Yeah I thought he went alright.
I guess to extended my point using that game against Wales as an example; highlights the real issue about the ABs: using backline bullshit to win games for a decade and then slamming into brick wall defences that bullshit can't unlock.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
The Ardie at 8 is a really interesting phenominom, fenominum, phenomenon. Whatever. It started with coaches, I am pretty sure in ABs, realising his potential off the back of an attacking scrum. He's so fucking awesome at that. And even when he was playing 7, he'd go to the back for attacking scrums. That's really where is should have ended. But it didn't. And our best 7 since Richie has been unbalancing back rows since
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What chance Gregor Paul will have an article tomorrow about why isn't Papalii playing ...
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Big positive was the massive gate money taken tonight
Oh wait
On a serious note, the playing surface looked superb
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
What chance Gregor Paul will have an article tomorrow about why isn't Papalii playing ...
I don't have a problem at all that he's not playing, cos Ardie is so much much better. Really, paps is great but he's no Ardie. The point is more why Ardie and Cane are in the same loose trio.
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"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
Foster's learning curve:
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
It's all about the learnings
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
It's all about the learnings
I thought it was all about The Journey and/or blaming Deans?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
Foster's learning curve:
Shouldn’t it be on -1 ?
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Is this rock bottom yet?
EoYT looming large, Japan? Wales?
Scotland 😁
I am rooting for Scotland
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I will wake up in the morning and this will turn out to be a bad nightmare
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I understand there is a never ending selection debate with this team but that XV was more than good enough to win. How many Pumas make the Boks starting XV?
I’d love to know - it would be a far reach for a journalist to ask - how many of the refs matches the AB coaching team watched? Inexcusable failure to adapt.
The first thing that had me screaming at the Tv was kicking sticks for the first penalty - 40m out on the angle.
At any sport at any level, you can’t have your captain getting consistently dragged in tight games. Can’t happen.
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