NZ Cricket
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
yeah but putting Crowe in there (17 centuries / 18 50s) with Fleming (9 centuries / 46 50s) is surely taking the piss!
Fleming was a better player than the conversion rate would indicate.
But yes, you have a point
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
He's only 2 away from having the same as Crowe and Taylor combined (who have second and third most).
Can do the same exercise with Hadlee and 5-fers.
Paddles beats Vettori and Southee combined by one.
And played 86 tests compared to their combined 220 tests (113/107 respectively). Also bowled in 150 innings compared to their combined 377 innings (174/203 respectively).
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Just wanted to have another bitch about our schedule this summer. Our last game against Sri Lanka is the 3rd ODI on 11th January, then there is zero Black Caps game until 8th February, when we play Pakistan in fucking Pakistan?! Then that is followed by the Champions Trophy between 19th February and 9th March. Then finally, on 16th March, we get some international cricket in NZ with Pakistan touring.
So between 11th January and 16th March, I.E. the NZ summer, we have zero international cricket being played in NZ.
Fucking absurd.
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@No-Quarter peach. It sucks.
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The past decade of test batting (from the start of 2015 up to today). Top averages, min qualification of 20 tests.
For just stats, Root & Kohli aren't in the same conversation as Kane - of the ones who span this whole 10 years, only Smith gets close. Root with almost twice as many tests as Kane in this period - but only 6 more centuries.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Cricket:
Just wanted to have another bitch about our schedule this summer. Our last game against Sri Lanka is the 3rd ODI on 11th January, then there is zero Black Caps game until 8th February, when we play Pakistan in fucking Pakistan?! Then that is followed by the Champions Trophy between 19th February and 9th March. Then finally, on 16th March, we get some international cricket in NZ with Pakistan touring.
So between 11th January and 16th March, I.E. the NZ summer, we have zero international cricket being played in NZ.
Fucking absurd.
Is the ICC Champions Trophy in Feb.
Don't usually have an ICC tournament in our summer, unless we are actually co-hosting it.
Having an ICC tournament every year is what makes the ICC so much money. And constitutes more than 50% of NZC revenue.
And NZC is quite rich. Comparatively.
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Unrelated factoids I read about today.
There are 4 instances of a test team made of entirely 30+ year olds. 3 of them are the black caps in the last 12ish months.
There are two additional instance of a team with no one in their twenties - the last two Australia-India tests where they had ten 30 year olds and a teenager.
The whole 'nz test team is getting old' thing has been floating around for a little while now, but that stat really reinforces how usually dependent on oldies we are.
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@KiwiPie said in NZ Cricket:
The past decade of test batting (from the start of 2015 up to today). Top averages, min qualification of 20 tests.
For just stats, Root & Kohli aren't in the same conversation as Kane - of the ones who span this whole 10 years, only Smith gets close. Root with almost twice as many tests as Kane in this period - but only 6 more centuries.
For all the talk of bigger bats, smaller boundaries and how batting averages are higher on the whole these days this still reinforces how rare a 50 plus test average actually is. Given you can discount Voges for a short career plundering an awful Windies team and Brook still being early in his career that doesn’t leave many. Hats off to all legends who can maintain one !
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Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally
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@Yeahtheboys said in NZ Cricket:
Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally
pffft haha what?
A guy that scores an ODI hundred every 5 and a half innings is a myth? he's probably the best 50-over batsman of all time.
His test record is not "all time great" but he still averages 48 and has 30 test hundreds. More importantly than the numbers, his attitude is what dragged this Indian team forward to a side that could win anywhere. How many players go to Australia, play four test matches, score 4 hundreds, and average 86?He's definitely on the downhill slide out of the test arena, but lets not overdo it aye?
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@dogmeat if you watch any cricket outside of new zealand you’ll hear them talk about Kohli Root and Smith as the best in the world and Kane never gets a mention. You have no clue if you think he gets the same about credit as others who have an even more inferior record to him
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@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
Plus I see little evidence of Kane being underappreciated so wrong on both counts
Kane is definitely under appreciated globally, and I've heard more than one commentator say the same thing. As already posted statistically he has been the best batsmen in the world for the past decade which you wouldn't know unless you look closely at the numbers. It's just because he's from NZ, and we play fuck all tests compared to the "big three", so he's not in the headlines as much as the others from those teams.
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@mariner4life said in NZ Cricket:
@Yeahtheboys said in NZ Cricket:
Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally
pffft haha what?
A guy that scores an ODI hundred every 5 and a half innings is a myth? he's probably the best 50-over batsman of all time.
His test record is not "all time great" but he still averages 48 and has 30 test hundreds. More importantly than the numbers, his attitude is what dragged this Indian team forward to a side that could win anywhere. How many players go to Australia, play four test matches, score 4 hundreds, and average 86?He's definitely on the downhill slide out of the test arena, but lets not overdo it aye?
As the discussion is about tests I took it to mean he's a myth in the test arena. He is the GOAT 50 over batsmen no doubt with Babar right on his heels there.
Myth in tests is a bit over the top (but hey it's the Fern) but the hype he has gotten given his record is not even the best Indian player of all time, let alone a world GOAT test batsmen has also been over the top, but that's largely due to him being Indian so he has 1 billion people talking him up.
I do take your point about attitude though, he has been a player that has risen to the occasion against the big teams in hostile conditions where his teammates have just rolled over. But his average in the past decade is 16 runs less than Kane's, 14 less than Smith's, so he's not really in the same conversation in tests.
