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Right decision. Curtains down on a very good career. Certainly one of NZs best ever.
A great combo of longevity AND class.
Sort of a bowling equivalent of Ross Taylor, not QUITE World class maybe but there wouldn’t be a team in his era who wouldn’t have had him in the mix in their squads ( ok maybe except for Australia in recent years )
Thanks Timmy, you’ve been an absolute champ.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 Fuck you're a tough audience mate. According to the ICC Test ranking Roscoe's the 62nd best batter of all time . What's your definition of world class?
Timmee's the 71st best bowler FWIW.
Well, clearly the top 61 of all time is World Class, I stand by what I said.
Southee misses out by heaps by that measure…..
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He's on 385 test wickets, so needs 5/match to get to 400. He takes about 4 wickets per test at home so he'll probably finish up in the high 390s and be hoping we make the WTC final.
He's currently on 93 sixes, 6th on the all time list. Ben Stokes is top with 131, so we'll out of reach. McCullum is second and the leading kiwi with 107 which also seems out of reach. The others ahead of him are Gilchrist (100), Gayle (98) and Kallis (97). He averages 2 sixes every three innings, so 4 sixes across these tests would see him draw level with Kallis. If he gets in particularly good nick, getting to 100 might be doable.
Incidentally, that list kind of shows what a wasted talent Southee's batting was. He averages 15. Only three other players have hit 50+ sixes while averaging under 30 - Wasim Akram, Jason Holder and Stuart Broad (averaging 22, 29 and 18 respectively). All managed test tons and Broad needed 244 innings to get to 55. I sometimes wonder if he hadn't blasted that 77 on debut he'd have tried to hit less sixes and scored more runs as a result.
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My hope is that he hits eight more sixes to leapfrog Gilchrist and Gayle as the third highest six hitter of of all-time
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@LABCAT said in NZ Cricket:
@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
Replacing Conway and Allen.
Wellington seamer Nathan Smith and power hitting Central Districts allrounder Josh Clarkson have earned their first Black Caps cricket contracts for the coming season.
Nathan Smith is a good option, not convinced Clarkson will be more than a journeyman at international level.
Not convinced on Smith yet either, he went for a few in Sri Lanka
8 overs 0/66 in the first one dayer.
I am not sure a skiddy MP is what we need.Hopefully he can get some movement or he will come on to the bat nicely for the Poms to hit through the line. -
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
He's on 385 test wickets, so needs 5/match to get to 400. He takes about 4 wickets per test at home so he'll probably finish up in the high 390s and be hoping we make the WTC final.
He's currently on 93 sixes, 6th on the all time list. Ben Stokes is top with 131, so we'll out of reach. McCullum is second and the leading kiwi with 107 which also seems out of reach. The others ahead of him are Gilchrist (100), Gayle (98) and Kallis (97). He averages 2 sixes every three innings, so 4 sixes across these tests would see him draw level with Kallis. If he gets in particularly good nick, getting to 100 might be doable.
Incidentally, that list kind of shows what a wasted talent Southee's batting was. He averages 15. Only three other players have hit 50+ sixes while averaging under 30 - Wasim Akram, Jason Holder and Stuart Broad (averaging 22, 29 and 18 respectively). All managed test tons and Broad needed 244 innings to get to 55. I sometimes wonder if he hadn't blasted that 77 on debut he'd have tried to hit less sixes and scored more runs as a result.
I’ve often said that and I’m running out of chances.
There’s been a few Tail Enders who’ve had their day and got a cheeky ton. Anil Kumble, Chaminda Vaas, Harbhajan Singh ( twice )
Warnie came as close as you can get…..
Come on Timmy !!!!
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If he does, he'll get off the list of 'most test runs without a century'. He's third overall. Warne is out in front with 3100ish, and the Sri Lankan keeper Dickwella second on 2700ish. Southee at about 2200 is no chance of moving up the list. Starc is 4th (another Aussie with a test high score of 99), only 100 runs behind Southee so he might get ahead of him depending on how much longer he plays.
Those 4 plus an Indian opener from the 70s are the only 5 guys to have 2000+ test runs without a century.
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Timmy has been great but, this:
"after test series against England"and this:
"It has been 19 innings across 10 tests since Southee last took more than two wickets in an innings. He has only taken more than a single wicket in an innings once in that time.Last summer at home, he took just six wickets at an average of 71.33 – one of the worst home seasons by a New Zealand seamer in the game’s history."
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 Fuck you're a tough audience mate. According to the ICC Test ranking Roscoe's the 62nd best batter of all time . What's your definition of world class?
Timmee's the 71st best bowler FWIW.
Well, clearly the top 61 of all time is World Class, I stand by what I said.
Southee misses out by heaps by that measure…..
Interesting to look at the guys around them.
Allan Border, Richie Richardson, Michael Vaughan, Rohan Kanhai, Alistair Cook, Adam Gilchrist, Colin Cowdrey, Graham Gooch, Ross Taylor, Gundappa Vishwanath, Ted Dexter, Inzamam Ul Haq.
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Tea for two with Tim and Trent
New Zealand's old fast-bowling firm of Southee and Boult amble down memory lane, with the occasional pause to poke each other in the ribs
A good read. Legends
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@Godder said in NZ Cricket:
Would be great if Southee can finish with some big numbers to achieve some milestones - 400 test wickets , 6s and a batting century are the obvious ones. Great servant of NZ cricket.
First one is doable if he finds a bit more form than he has of late. It’s five wickets per test, far more than what we’ve seen recently.
100 test sixes would be pretty cool but it’s ultimately a bit meaningless overall.
The century one would be awesome.
For me it would be as good as Fleming nudging his career average over 40 in his final test ( the unofficial mark between good and very good in my opinion )
Southee has been maligned his whole career with his batting and I still don’t know if he’s an underachiever in terms of all round ability or a bowler who is really good at a big hitting innings every now and again.
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The Hamilton farewell seems a bit indulgent. Out of the 3 tests, the Hamilton match is the one he should be rotated out for with Santner coming in to the 11 on a Seddon Park pitch.
Assuming the other debutant seamer goes ok in the earlier tests.
Painting themselves into a bit if a corner.
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In the last 2 seasons nz have toured all 4 of the Asian test nations for away series. Apart from the Sri Lanka tour, Tim has done ok on those tours bowling dry and chipping some wickets.
So, even though I think he's been cooked for about a year , and I'd rank him our 7th best seamer currently, he has (by staying on too long) saved some raw kiwi seamer raised on green tops from aa likely horror tour to debut in.
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Also. They were indulgent last year with Wagner. And that is biting us in the ass a little bit now - in that one of Smith or Duffy would already have a test cap under their belt v a an understregth Proteas. It would be easier to pull the trigger on Southee if we had that.
