Springboks v All Blacks I
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Frank said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I don't think we need to be too much doom and gloom - the Boks have their own problems.
What are those problems?
Wales showed if you stop their maul they're pretty toothless.
Wales showed that you need to make your tackles as well against SA to stop them from getting momentum, and more importantly, forcing them to play for more phases than they want to. The Welsh defence doesn't soak as much as the All Blacks D though, so this will be an interesting part of the 2 tests.
ABs must keep their penalty count low. Giving the Boks an exit from their territory (Wales put plenty of pressure on the Boks in their territory) or a chance to kick deep into AB territory for lineout/maul is inviting problems.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@BartMan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I wonder if 2 weeks-ish are going to be enough time for the All Blacks to turn their forwards into a cohesive unit of destruction and mayhem.
We'll see how good Mr Ryan is, everything he's touched has turned to trophies so far in his career.
Fingers crossed, but that would mean Foster stays, it's a double edged sword. Failure and Fozzy goes, which is good, success and he stays,which delays the inevitable continued decline.
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Select tight five of Bower/Taylor/Nepo/Scooter/Big Sam; and
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Dust off Saders play book.
Would expect a much more cohesive tight performance!
It's more the aims and shape of the whole pack that is more important than set-piece in a short period IMO. My suspicion is that the forwards as a complete group have not been having their roles well explained. The loose forwards in particular seem to be playing very vaguely without organised impact and the FR/Locks/Loose are all acting under separate instructions. An example would be that BBBR was obviously tasked with the (old hat) midfield forward carrier role but there was often no immediate ruck clearer or phase plan after that carry. It looked to be 'once near the tackle, once in the midfield then play what's in front of you with options everywhere'. Whoever is closest does the job.
I think Ryan may bring a few more phases in or at least simplify who is expected where and when.That's probably true, but although I'm an ex back, my take is that cohesiveness is vital at maul time. It's definitely a skill where the various tighties need to play their role in a coordinated fashion.
Most NZ Super sides aren't great at it.
Under Ryan, Saders haven't conceded a maul try in five years, of which two were when NZ Super teams were still playing SA ones.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman He is now coaching the ABs. Not Canterbury. He needs to leave his bias at the door and work with the best in the country first (I know debatable). And as Kirwan says Taylor should not be starting anyway.
Remember the Chiefs forwards did pretty well against the Crusaders except for lapses in composure. The ABs would not be served well by a Canterbury starting tight five. It’s a step up from Super Rugby.
The entire Chiefs tight five is available!
Your point is?
To the extent the Chiefs tighties were considered superior, Ryan has all of them available to him.
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@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
At the risk of upsetting the approved Fern narrative, I'll be very surprised if ABs don't win at least one of Bok tests.
They won't be able to emulate Irish structures, and we know how to play them.
IMO the best the AB’s can hope for is to split the series. I can’t see them winning both against Boks at home. The Boks have a settled squad barring Kolbe’s injury and playing at home. It’s all in their favour plus their rush defence & ultra physicality troubled the AB’s in both tests last year.
The ABs have an eight year streak to defend.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Straw man team.
Ross/Sami T/Ofa/Scooter/Big Sam/Vaa'i/Cane/Sotutu/Nugget/BB/Havili/Goodhue/Rieko/Jordan/Jordie.
Bench:
Bower/Taylor/Nepo/Ardie/Akira/Christie/Mo'unga/Reece
Frizzle will be at 6. That’s the whole point of his selection. They have set themselves on wanting a player like that hence the earlier selection of SB there.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Under Ryan, Saders haven't conceded a maul try in five years, of which two were when NZ Super teams were still playing SA ones.
Is that still true? I thought the Blues nabbed one this year down in CHC.
Coventry showed with the Blues that you can improve maul defence significnatly. Crusaders pack have been the benchmark for technique and cohesiveness in that area for years though. I still shudder at the paper thin Blues defence of a few years ago
You know the Bokke will throw mauls at you. Going to be a big tussle if we are switched on, and a bloodbath if we're not.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
We have enough talent to put SA away, without a doubt. I've made it pretty clear on here that I don't particularly rate Foster, but I'm really hoping the changes to the coaching group can bring enough fresh ideas into the camp that things start clicking for this team. We're not that far away, we are just trying to do too much in the first half and putting ourselves under too much pressure.
Really looking forward to these 2 matches.
I would like to think we have the ability to win, but I think this Bok team are pretty good. Not sure if we forget how hard we have found it to win in SA over history. I would be content with a drawn series, bloody happy with a winning both tests, but really want to see the changes in coaching staff hopefully freshen up things a bit to start with.
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@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
We have enough talent to put SA away, without a doubt. I've made it pretty clear on here that I don't particularly rate Foster, but I'm really hoping the changes to the coaching group can bring enough fresh ideas into the camp that things start clicking for this team. We're not that far away, we are just trying to do too much in the first half and putting ourselves under too much pressure.
Really looking forward to these 2 matches.
I would like to think we have the ability to win, but I think this Bok team are pretty good. Not sure if we forget how hard we have found it to win in SA over history. I would be content with a drawn series, bloody happy with a winning both tests, but really want to see the changes in coaching staff hopefully freshen up things a bit to start with.
I don't want to sound ungrateful, because any win over SA is a good win. But another showing like we had vs Ireland, where we show little discernable pattern or structure, where we fail to control the breakdown, will not please me even if we manage to sneak a win
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Is that still true? I thought the Blues nabbed one this year down in CHC.
3:59
Some claim it's not a try from a maul because the last action is Eklund leaving the maul. Plenty of maul tries scored by a hooker end like that. The maul turned clockwise leaving no real defence for the hooker to the left
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@Duluth also thought ash dixon had scored one....will have to try and find it
that also seem to be a video of the crusaders trying to sack a maul several times.....
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You're probably right. I think the record is an exaggeration.
No one else was keeping this record, the Crusaders were tracking it internally. Eventually they let people like TJ know. How many times did they define a border line case as 'not a maul'?
Of course, they've had excellent maul defence for years and Ryan and people like Whitelock deserve plenty of credit for that.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
We have enough talent to put SA away, without a doubt. I've made it pretty clear on here that I don't particularly rate Foster, but I'm really hoping the changes to the coaching group can bring enough fresh ideas into the camp that things start clicking for this team. We're not that far away, we are just trying to do too much in the first half and putting ourselves under too much pressure.
Really looking forward to these 2 matches.
Anything resembling a back line move off first phase would be welcome.
Like this one?
That looks like backing up individual brilliance rather than planned.
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@antipodean ...i thought i might have been missing something but thought much the same myself, also relies on several missed tackles, make the first one and that dies real quick....hardly a move putting someone in space without a hand laid on them
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lol that's not a backline move, that's the exact thing our defense hopes for now. RI draws no one on his run at all. BB beats a piss weak tackle, and for some reason the Bok loosies are napping and corner-flagging. After that it's all support play.
Nice, instinctive try to take advantage of a lapse. But i could see us running that exact play in the last 3 weeks, and BB getting fucking smoked by an Irish loosie and the whole play breaking down.
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@mariner4life agreed, but also we seldom had the ball humming at that speed during most of the Irish tests.
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That was just absolutely brilliant from Beauden, then good support play after that. As @mariner4life said winning a lineout and chucking it to Beauden isn't a backline move, there's no real deception going on, he just spotted a gap and exploited it with pace and fend. The Irish didn't give him space like that to move and our attack was easily shut down.
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