Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
When was the last time we got our offload game going? Against Australia last year?
Scooter made a very good hard run, was looking for the offload in traffic but Bower ran a wrong line.
I think ST got one but can’t remember many others
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@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Notable how improved the maul defence was in the first half. Ryan showing his credentials early - Springboks got no gain from trying to maul.
Except for the one where 3 Springboks marched 35m up the field untouched it otherwise looked quite solid
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The inside pass for Jordan’s break was a thing of beauty- he was away for all money if it hadn’t been for the slight ankle tap. Makes me wonder why we aren’t using our wingers or Reiko more like this because it looks like a relatively easy move to execute
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@Nevorian said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
The inside pass for Jordan’s break was a thing of beauty- he was away for all money if it hadn’t been for the slight ankle tap. Makes me wonder why we aren’t using our wingers or Reiko more like this because it looks like a relatively easy move to execute
Still have to pick your moments because we’ve run the inside ball in times past to no or little effect.
What was pleasing about it was that we actually played some footy with that move. A bit of structure and a bit of instinct.
The most disappointing thing about last night was we played so little footy and that made it way to easy for the Boks.
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@Nevorian said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Notable how improved the maul defence was in the first half. Ryan showing his credentials early - Springboks got no gain from trying to maul.
Except for the one where 3 Springboks marched 35m up the field untouched it otherwise looked quite solid
That can happen with mauls though, especially when it is't a full lineout (I think that was the case). Takes little to roll around the defenders and they have to completely disengage. Maul rules are really dumb
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@Canes4life God he wasn't that bad lol. I thought the loose trio worked hard out there on defence and it wasn't the reason why we lost either. You clearly have an agenda against the guy. Its the coaching thats the problem.
I actually see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel once we get new coaches in. We're simply not direct enough and are still playing our outdated gameplan which went out of fashion in 2017 of Smith giving it to Havili/Savea in the midfield to set up first phase, Smith then going back down the blindside to the next pod hoping to create a mismatch which we haven't actually seen created from this in a while which leads to our second phase, and from that phase, Smith then goes short to the next pod to go round the back to either the blindside winger/Jordie Barrett who receives it at 10 to try and create extra numbers out wide which again, looked the part about 7 years ago, but rush defences from about 2017 have figured a way to counter it and yet we still persist with it. Its ok to still use that play every now and again, but we aren't creating any mismatches out wide, we just use it as a default play and it gets used religiously both here at test level and at SR too. It looks great doing it at an inferior level like SR, but at the big boys level, international sides adapt quickly, they're not stupid, and this play has also become a problem because our forwards have almost been trained so much to move the ball once receiving it to the point that they have forgotten how to carry the ball into contact.
We seriously need to get our forwards carrying closer to the ruck as we certainly have players in there who can carry, but we don't do it. We have a more than capable halfback who is not being allowed to give our forwards a license to do it as well. Smith needs to do a lot more to get our backs some better ball and it needs to start by getting guys like Barrett, Akira, Ardie, Taukeiaho etc. running off him, and forcing guys like Marx to tackle a bit more, instead of him just scanning around David Pocock style. Its as if these coaches have no trust in our forwards to string phases together to grind us up field as we don't seem to like going more than 2 phases before going wide no matter what the situation is. Simply put, we need to earn the right to go wide which we seem hellbent on not doing, and everyone is being affected by it.
I think we do have the players at our disposal, obviously with a few that need to be moved on and quickly, and results will be positive, but the tactics are outdated and a new coaching team is needed asap which we all pretty much know.
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@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I like him as a player but I don't think BB has the kicking ability and pressure to start at 10, let alone marshalling the backline. He hasn't played well under Foster at any rate.
I'm agnostic in the BB v Mo debate, but I think Mo needs to get a start next week. Give him 80 minutes to see what he can do.
Also, you just replied to yourself.
It was late and maybe I was lonely! I was going to reply to a poster then lost it in the flood of venting
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@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I like him as a player but I don't think BB has the kicking ability and pressure to start at 10, let alone marshalling the backline. He hasn't played well under Foster at any rate.
I'm agnostic in the BB v Mo debate, but I think Mo needs to get a start next week. Give him 80 minutes to see what he can do.
Oh and I agree with you, plus BB needs a rest after that landing. Don't know what JB's injury was but it looked serious.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I hate to say it because I like his abilities but Rieko at 13 doesn't help our structure. He still comes across as having his number 13 training wheels on. He got hooked last night and maybe we will see him on the wing next game with Jordan at 15. Goodhue at 13 may just give us some solidity to work around.
Great player but still better at wing and doesn't seem to distribute at international level like Goodhue or Conrad could..
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@MN5 said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wasn't going to bother posting about the 2nd half, but Lomax penalised at the scrum basically as soon as is subbed on. Can't think of a more out of form prop in NZ?
I can.
Nepo Laulala.
Actually maybe not cos I can’t think of a time when he was actually in form.
about 2-3 years ago he looked ok. Maybe too much strength not enough skills work?
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@ploughboy said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
all i can say is when you need some luck you get nothing. did we get one 50/50 call go our way.
maybe but I don't recall either.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Canes4life I like the cut of Sotutu's jib. As long as he can muscle up on D, I like him.
I think in an interview Sotutu admitted that D was a workon but I also like him, skilled, intelligent player, and other blues fans can correct me but he looked good at disrupting the ball in mauls...(long arms and smart player)...
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wasn't going to bother posting about the 2nd half, but Lomax penalised at the scrum basically as soon as is subbed on. Can't think of a more out of form prop in NZ?
I can.
Nepo Laulala.
Actually maybe not cos I can’t think of a time when he was actually in form.
about 2-3 years ago he looked ok. Maybe too much strength not enough skills work?
Oh he sure looks the part and I’m sure his gym numbers are pretty incredible but fuck me, in open play he makes Owen Franks look like Waisale Serevi.
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@MN5 Franks would have been handy last night. Don't think the props made many metres, maybe De Groot did? Edit: as running is not Franks strength, he is more the heavy lettuce type of athlete. But for the mauls would he be useful? And we're really missing a bull-like prop, leaving it to Sami T.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@MN5 Franks would have been handy last night. Don't think the props made many metres, maybe De Groot did?
Bower made 2, twice as much as Cane, and 2 more than all the other front rowers together
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@MN5 Franks would have been handy last night. Don't think the props made many metres, maybe De Groot did?
Bower made 2, twice as much as Cane, and 2 more than all the other front rowers together
thanks for that. Yes he has played well, I wrote him off after his first appearance. Looks to have come up to speed at international level.
I'm afraid Cane isn't going to make many metres any more. Hang on, are you saying Sami T. didn't make many metres? I must have been watching the wrong game! -
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@MN5 Franks would have been handy last night. Don't think the props made many metres, maybe De Groot did?
Bower made 2, twice as much as Cane, and 2 more than all the other front rowers together
thanks for that. Yes he has played well, I wrote him off after his first appearance. Looks to have come up to speed at international level.
I'm afraid Cane isn't going to make many metres any more. Hang on, are you saying Sami T. didn't make many metres? I must have been watching the wrong game!Sorry I meant other props. Coles made 0 Sami 15 I think
