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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    First try I'm perplexed as to why wasn't there a look at the contest in the air. Looked like a knock on to me.

    13th minute: Springbok clearing kick lands very close to the sideline and All Blacks attacking shape finds space, but Savea over runs so Cane can't pass to him. Next phase we shovel ball.

    Springboks laying at the base of rucks. Gardner admonishes All Blacks for placing the ball into their bodies.

    16th minute. Cane puts a cracking tackle on Marx forcing the ball free.

    18th minute Marx wins a turnover reaching over PSDT who is off his feet holding the ball into the ruck. All Blacks making good grounds in that phase of play turning the ball back inside.

    21st minute. Great turnover by Cane and Gardner penalises him.

    26th minute: Beaudy does some Beaudy magic and All Blacks create an excellent opportunity undone by poor pass by Akira.

    29th minute. Some great defence in the 22 and Ardie comes up with a turnover. Notable how often the All Blacks are looking to put pressure at the breakdown.

    32nd minute: Another opportunity bombed as Havili snatches at a pass and knocks on. Subsequent scrum the "crouch" call for the scrum comes over three minutes after the whistle was blown for the knock on.

    38th minute: Great scrum penalty.

    39th minute: Smith no look pass on the inside to no one, which he'd know if he looked before passing. Subsequent clean up results in a turnover.

    Notable how improved the maul defence was in the first half. Ryan showing his credentials early - Springboks got no gain from trying to maul.

    Forwards are working hard. Back row are noticeable in workrate and impact.

    Attacking shape looks predictable with the depth pass from the forward pod. Defence know who to target as there's no deception. The change to hitting inside runners made a big difference.

    Biggest problem is accuracy.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    @nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    I like him as a player but I don't think BB has the kicking ability and pressure to start at 10, let alone marshalling the backline. He hasn't played well under Foster at any rate.

    I'm agnostic in the BB v Mo debate, but I think Mo needs to get a start next week. Give him 80 minutes to see what he can do.

    Also, you just replied to yourself.

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    DMac probably would have been a speed bump against those Saffas but what he showed in the Waikato game was something that neither BB or RM do and that is to play after assessing what the opposition are doing. As he has become more mature he is putting his outsides into good positions and holes which gets momentum. It was chalk and cheese to the BB way of playing off the cuff resulting in too many back door plays and not enough gain line manipulation.

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    @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    DMac probably would have been a speed bump against those Saffas

    I'd take DMac in defence over BB and Mo any day of the the week. He's fearless and that's 90% of defence (% stat completely made up but you get my drift).

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    @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    @nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    I like him as a player but I don't think BB has the kicking ability and pressure to start at 10, let alone marshalling the backline. He hasn't played well under Foster at any rate.

    I'm agnostic in the BB v Mo debate, but I think Mo needs to get a start next week. Give him 80 minutes to see what he can do.

    Also, you just replied to yourself.

    I’ve done that more than once. Then I had to delete it, everyone woulda thought the mods had deleted it…..just an awkward messy situation all round which by coincidence sums up this All Black era very well.

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  • TimT Away
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    Wasn't going to bother posting about the 2nd half, but Lomax penalised at the scrum basically as soon as is subbed on. Can't think of a more out of form prop in NZ?

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  • MN5M Offline
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    @Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    Wasn't going to bother posting about the 2nd half, but Lomax penalised at the scrum basically as soon as is subbed on. Can't think of a more out of form prop in NZ?

    I can.

    Nepo Laulala.

    Actually maybe not cos I can’t think of a time when he was actually in form.

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  • TimT Away
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    #1215

    First time they go short at the kick off it's to Clarke and he wins it. Why not before?

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  • FrankF Offline
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    @Canerbry said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    nOT ENOUGH cANTABS.

    The main Cantab we need is Razor.

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    @Tim But then after that, he came right and put the SA prop under pressure. Is it a concentration thing?

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    #1218

    @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    DMac probably would have been a speed bump against those Saffas but what he showed in the Waikato game was something that neither BB or RM do and that is to play after assessing what the opposition are doing. As he has become more mature he is putting his outsides into good positions and holes which gets momentum. It was chalk and cheese to the BB way of playing off the cuff resulting in too many back door plays and not enough gain line manipulation.

    He’d be useful as a second play maker coming in from fullback right now. For whatever reason JB has not been able to do that this year.

    Shame we didn’t have a Test against one of the islands to give Perofeta a comfortable debut. In the current squad he’s probably be the best option as a second play maker and take some responsibility off of the 10

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  • TimT Away
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    Tim
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    #1219

    Cane got a bit more involved in the 2nd half, but for a 7 he wasn't involved much in the first 40, and his impact, one tackle aside, is pretty low. Don't see any benefit in him as a player or captain. Move on.

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  • Canes4lifeC Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Canes4life
    #1220

    I’d like to see this team next week:

    De Groot
    ST
    Ta’avao
    Barrett
    Whitelock (c)
    Frizzel (would prefer Grace or Blackadder)
    Savea
    Sotutu
    Smith
    Mo’unga
    Clarke
    J Barrett
    Ioane
    Reece
    Jordan

    Edit: ST for Coles

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    akan004
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    #1221

    @Canes4life Frizell and Coles? Why???

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  • KiwiMurphK Online
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    #1222

    @Canes4life so you drop Samisoni for Coles....LOL

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    @Canes4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    Coles
    Ta’avao

    I hate these picks the rest I like
    Coles
    Ta’avao
    Frizzel

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    @akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

    @Canes4life Frizell and Coles? Why???

    Anyone but Ioane, and forgot about Samisoni. Would keep him there.

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  • Joans Town JonesJ Offline
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    replied to Tim on last edited by
    #1225

    @Tim yip. Inside ball, couple of rucks later Marx wins a penalty.

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  • Joans Town JonesJ Offline
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    replied to Tim on last edited by
    #1226

    @Tim they also turned it over immediately.

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  • TimT Away
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    Tim
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    #1227

    The wings did little with the ball, because they were standing on the sideline and getting shit flat ball all game.

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