Foster, Robertson etc
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Here's my uninformed guess at what happens next. Not to be confused with what I want to happen
Robertson not being interested has been said by a few sources. I'll assume that's true and he's out of the picture.
A new squad is about to be named and the players are leaving for SA. NZR is limited by what can be done that quickly
Schmidt gets appointed as 'Director of Rugby' (a very European rugby job title) and Foster remains. The DoR is the head selector and is in charge of tactics. So despite the labels Schmidt is head coach and Foster is kind of a lead assistant coach.
Schmidt is a good technical coach who is also known to be a bit of a prick. Foster by most accounts is popular with the squad. Maybe a good cop/bad cop routine could work. However the main reason Foster remains is $'s
The assistants have the SA trip to prove their worth to Schmidt. However the reality is that Moar, Plumtree and McCleod are all gone (maybe Feek survives?). This just buys NZR more time to find replacements (Ryan, Coventry, Ellison whoever)
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@Duluth said in Foster must go:
Here's my uninformed guess at what happens next. Not to be confused with what I want to happen
Robertson not being interested has been said by a few sources. I'll assume that's true and he's out of the picture.
A new squad is about to be named and the players are leaving for SA. NZR is limited by what can be done that quickly
Schmidt gets appointed as 'Director of Rugby' (a very European rugby job title) and Foster remains. The DoR is the head selector and is in charge of tactics. So despite the labels Schmidt is head coach and Foster is kind of a lead assistant coach.
Schmidt is a good technical coach who is also known to be a bit of a prick. Foster by most accounts is popular with the squad. Maybe a good cop/bad cop routine could work. However the main reason Foster remains is $'s
The assistants have the SA trip to prove their worth to Schmidt. However the reality is that Moar, Plumtree and McCleod are all gone (maybe Feek survives?). This just buys NZR more time to find replacements (Ryan, Coventry, Ellison whoever)
I hope Razor knows what he's doing. If he turns down any advances. The ABs won't keep calling
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All Blacks v Ireland: Team management claim responsibility for cancelled media conference after Ireland loss | Newshub
Amid public outcry, the move only heightened speculation over the future of coach Ian Foster.
LOL get fucked.
Malcolm says she now understands why tennis star Naomi Osaka refused to attend press conferences and withdrew from the 2021 French Open for mental health reasons.
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geeeeet fuuuuucked!!!
(i am hugely in favour of the new focus on mental health, especially for men, but...)
that is a fucking cop out of the absolute highest order. I am sick to death of "mental health" being the go-to excuse for behaviour, especially in sport. Get caught with a bag of coke? mental health. Get caught acting like a drunken idiot? mental health.
Doing a substandard job but want to avoid scrutiny for it? mental health.
It demeans, and almost makes a mockery of a serious discussion.
And, as an aside, if you have journalism students Jo, i hope you aren't teaching proof reading. Loose and Lose are two different words.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
@Tim WTF? The issue isn't with the cancellation per-se - it's that it was cancelled at the last minute with no explanation.
Your main role is media manager who should understand the importance of communication, yet you remove said meeting without any update as to why? How could you not see this sort of backlash out coming?
what a cop out
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Sounds like this article hit a nerve.
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well this is all going swimmingly
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
well this is all going swimmingly
We are a rabble on and off the field right now
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Doesn't sound like Razor is ruling it out to me.
Scott Robertson hears the noise, but has nothing to say regarding the coaching saga enveloping the All Blacks. Back at the Crusaders’ Rugby Park headquarters in Christchurch after a taking a break in Fiji, he made that abundantly clear on Tuesday when contacted. His “no comment” shouldn’t come as a surprise, and was the same response he gave when questioned on the All Blacks’ struggles at the conclusion of last year’s northern tour. -
@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
Doesn't sound like Razor is ruling it out to me.
Scott Robertson hears the noise, but has nothing to say regarding the coaching saga enveloping the All Blacks. Back at the Crusaders’ Rugby Park headquarters in Christchurch after a taking a break in Fiji, he made that abundantly clear on Tuesday when contacted. His “no comment” shouldn’t come as a surprise, and was the same response he gave when questioned on the All Blacks’ struggles at the conclusion of last year’s northern tour.Smart move. No matter what he says it will be manipulated to suit whatever agenda someone is pushing.
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@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
Looks like we closed the Tauranga borders on @mariner4life for too long. First he writes heresy about Sam Cane, now he's running a defense for Ian Foster...
nah, i look at the first part positively, that he was just suggesting Sam Cane focus on BoP
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@KiwiMurph I'm not going to read the article (the TSF way) but is that Joe Locke?
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
While some All Black teams dominated what I remember is that we mostly used to win even when we were evenly matched with opposition, because we were good at pressure rugby. Playing the %. Kicking to corners, winning a turnover or a line out when it mattered. Mostly just hard fought games with less than a one try margin. I don’t see that hard nosed attitude in our team or tactics. We don’t do the grind anymore - reverting to the box kick or heaven forbid the cross kick all the time. Some of its tactics and some I think is hard coded into players. For me Foster has to go because he won’t make the number of changes now required. Dropping some name players, selecting specialists, stop selecting projects, changing tactics. We haven’t had a forward pack that has dominated its opposition for years. Time to face reality.
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster must go:
People getting triggered by the fat jokes is absolutely pathetic.
Who is triggered? I said the jokes were tired. And they were.
Maybe someone is triggered by the thought of someone being triggered?
It's not as funny as the people that keep making those jokes think it is.
People using the term triggered unironically are what is pathetic.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
McLean said something along the lines that he took away a rugby team and came back with a team of cross country runners.
What I'd give for a rugby journalist of his calibre today.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
@Frye said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
You could be just as equally critical of any countries depth chart. If you choose to believe Keith Earls would be the first backline player picked for the All Blacks for example, then you are certainly welcome to that opinion.
nah yeah you're right all our players are heaps awesome and it's one dude's fault entirely
Earls isn't even first choice for Ireland so good name to throw in there
Hard to make a case that the 3 best midfielders on show over the past 3 weekends weren't Ringrose, Henshaw and AkiThey played well because they benefitted from an actual game plan. Look at the Irish move we were debating last week where Aki got the ball just outside the dummy runners shoulder and was immediately put into acres of space. Can you imagine Rieko receiving ball like that on a regular basis? He'd carve teams to shreds.
Look, I get what you are saying, we've had some fucking all time great teams in recent history with GOATs across the park. Our current lot don't compare to that, but they are nowhere near as bad as what we are seeing right now. We should have been easily good enough to put Ireland away given they were at the end of a very long season. We should actually be good enough to win most of our games, but we have become easy beats to the other Tier 1 teams as they know all they have to do is play with a bit structure and we'll end up making a host of errors trying to pull shit out of the bag.
'Damaging': Former NZ Rugby manager slams All Blacks' PR fail
