Foster, Robertson etc
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@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
“It’s about my team,” Foster said.
No it's not. It's primarily about your future employment.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
“One of the All Blacks’ big rocks, values, call it whatever you like, that we have is that the team comes first
That's right, which is why you are going to be replaced. Given that are such are team man, I am sure you have no problem with it. Wait!!!!! You are not just trying to protect your job are you?
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
all my management is hearing is that other people are determining the timelines for what happens in this team.
They are primarily determining the coaching setup.
Ian you are a jammy bugger who got saved by the adults coming in to help you. Looks like your luck may have run out. Suck it up like the good team man that you are.
Perfectly said,A lot of what I was thinking when I read and posted that .
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Be kind of amusing if the delay is that they are about to pull an Australia and sack Foster with Robertson for this world cup cycle.
Ignoring my preference for coach, it would be nice to break the dogma of four year cycles of coaches is sacrosanct. If a coach is failing or under delivering that should be replaced when there is a better option.
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@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Be kind of amusing if the delay is that they are about to pull an Australia and sack Foster with Robertson for this world cup cycle.
Ignoring my preference for coach, it would be nice to break the dogma of four year cycles of coaches is sacrosanct. If a coach is failing or under delivering that should be replaced when there is a better option.
Good points but should have done it after Ireland III or Bokke I. Very little time for a new coach to settle in now. Not even the Hawthorn Effect would likely be much use.
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@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Be kind of amusing if the delay is that they are about to pull an Australia and sack Foster with Robertson for this world cup cycle.
Ignoring my preference for coach, it would be nice to break the dogma of four year cycles of coaches is sacrosanct. If a coach is failing or under delivering that should be replaced when there is a better option.
agree with the 2nd para 100%
Not sure i would be happy with the first, unless all we are changing is the head coach (and maybe defense, though even that is fraught with danger)
Australia are now in a position where an entirely new coaching group has 5 games to the World Cup to bed in their preferred patterns. That's a tough ask
At least England and Wales have a 6 nations campaign and i imagine a couple of warm up games, and probably a couple of camps.
While i know that the last 3 years means less to success at the World Cup than the next 8, that notion is predicated on some sort of continuity.
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I see Hayden Meikle in a paywalled article predicted Joseph & Brown will get the job
It was the ODT SR preview and he mentioned the Crusaders have a distraction coming up when the AB coach is announced and it’s not Robertson. He said people should put money on it being Joseph/Brown now
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If rumor it's correct, it was the players who whined that change after SA2 would be too disruptive (not sure if they meant for that season, or for RWC). It was a big part of keeping foster. To me this shows the players, like NZR, are too complacent and comfortable. Business wisdom says after 7 years on your job, you're at you're peak. After it's down hill, this certainly applies to a coaching regime that has essentially been around since 2004, foster since 2012 🤮
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Razor has ‘learned his lesson’ over ABs coach comment
Scott Robinson "played a straight bat" when asked about the All Blacks job.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Razor has ‘learned his lesson’ over ABs coach comment
Scott Robinson "played a straight bat" when asked about the All Blacks job.
So he goofed his quote, silly boy. However, at least he isn't whining that the questions around the abs are a distraction to his crusaders campaign
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Razor has ‘learned his lesson’ over ABs coach comment
Scott Robinson "played a straight bat" when asked about the All Blacks job.
are they talking Scott ROBERTSON or Mark ROBINSON, or both?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Razor has ‘learned his lesson’ over ABs coach comment
Scott Robinson "played a straight bat" when asked about the All Blacks job.
are they talking Scott ROBERTSON or Mark ROBINSON, or both?
So it is actually the same person, with a very good makeup artist?! What a twist!
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Razor has ‘learned his lesson’ over ABs coach comment
Scott Robinson "played a straight bat" when asked about the All Blacks job.
Good for him for admitting he got it wrong and accepting the need to play a straight bat from now on.
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I don't want to throw a keg of beer on the fire but it is increasingly clear to me that Josef Schmidt has an awful lot of sway with the NZR.
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“Probably the best way forward if we’re going to do it, if we want to look after our best coaches in the country, which Razor (Robertson) certainly is, then you name him, you move on and everyone can focus on supporting Fozzie, because that’s what we need to do this year, get behind him,” the 37-year-old Read said on the Breakdown.
“The way New Zealand rugby are letting things hang at the moment, Fozzie probably doesn’t feel like there’s much support for him.”
“The whole thing hasn’t been handled well,” Read said.
“Really, all of the stuff should be happening behind closed doors.
“It shouldn’t be aired, what both coaches or everyone who’s come out talking. It shouldn’t be happening.
“Hopefully we get to the bottom of it and through it soon.”
But while this is the No 1 topic of conversation amongst rugby fans in New Zealand, Read said it wouldn’t be something bothering the All Blacks players.
“Players don’t want distractions, but to be honest, if I’m coming from a player’s perspective, I think they won’t mind,” he said.
“They won’t care what happens, as long as it gets dealt with in the right way.
“The way it’s being dealt with at the moment, there are distractions everywhere.
“So go in and either name the new coach, or don’t. It’s as simple as that, it’s not going to derail the players if you name the new All Blacks coach next week.”
Read was asked during his Breakdown interview if he felt there was now a disconnection between the All Blacks and NZ Rugby management and he felt there was.
“I’m not sure of the exact ins and outs, I do know there’s that disconnect and you can see it, it’s palpable what’s happening there,” he said.
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NZR should get a red card. Hopeless.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster, Robertson etc:
NZR should get a red card. Hopeless.
Name the coach for 2024 nowIt isn't easy coming up with a decision that manages to alienate everyone involved.
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Just throwing a scenario out there.
NZR succumb to public and media pressure and announce Razor as coach after the RWC.
Media then turn to hounding Razor for decisions on assistants, saying that Franchises have the right to know (as do the likes of the current assistants)
Jamie Joseph chips in and says there was no interview process and that he was waiting until after the RWC with Japan to discuss as no one had approached him.
Razor's methods take time to embed in an international environment and we have a rough season.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just throwing a scenario out there.
NZR succumb to public and media pressure and announce Razor as coach after the RWC.
Media then turn to hounding Razor for decisions on assistants, saying that Franchises have the right to know (as do the likes of the current assistants)
Jamie Joseph chips in and says there was no interview process and that he was waiting until after the RWC with Japan to discuss as no one had approached him.
Razor's methods take time to embed in an international environment and we have a rough season.
Press and public ask why he was appointed without a full application process.There's a funnier one. Razor gets appointed next week and the Crusaders have their worst season since 1997, don't make the finals.
Fans ask, did we get the secret of the Crusaders success with Ryan?
