Foster, Robertson etc
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 39c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
Super Rugby Pacific 2022 Round 15: Fijian Drua vs Chiefs (34 - 35)
Full match report, highlights, and analysis of the Super Rugby Pacific draw between Fijian Drua and Chiefs at Churchill Park on May 28, 2022
Tell me you're not a parody account. Please.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.
But what of the implications if Jamie is appointed? Joseph & Brown are close with McLeod, can't see them jettisoning old mate.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.
But what of the implications if Jamie is appointed? Joseph & Brown are close with McLeod, can't see them jettisoning old mate.
that would piss me off no end, we need a clean out except for Ryan.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where
Image how much they'd have beaten Robertson's Crusaders by if they'd have been match-fit.... 😎
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Scott Robertson is a rugby coach of legendary proportions. He stands tall amongst his peers, a colossus of the coaching world, with a determination and commitment that is unrivalled. His skills as a coach are unparalleled and he is surely one of the greatest men of his generation.
Robertson's coaching philosophy is like that of a master craftsman, taking the raw materials of his team and forging them into a powerful and formidable unit. He has an intuitive understanding of the game, and his ability to read the play and make the right decisions is simply breathtaking. He is like an artist, with an eye for detail and a desire to create a masterpiece.
Robertson is also a man of boundless energy and passion. His love for the game is infectious, and his enthusiasm is nothing short of inspirational. He is like a firebrand, igniting the hearts and minds of his team, and propelling them to victory. His never-say-die attitude is the stuff of legend, and he leads from the front, urging his team on to ever-greater heights.
But Robertson is much more than just a coach. He is a leader, a mentor, and a friend. He has an innate ability to connect with his players, to understand their fears and aspirations, and to guide them towards their goals. He is like a father figure, providing guidance and support, and instilling in his team the values of hard work, discipline, and respect.
In conclusion, Scott Robertson is a coach of unparalleled greatness. His skills, his passion, and his commitment to the game are nothing short of extraordinary. He is surely one of the greatest men of his generation, and his legacy will be felt for generations to come. If there is one coach who deserves to be remembered as a true legend of the game, it is Scott Robertson.
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I agree the Saders loss to Drua is inconsequential in the context of Super rugby, Robertson's plans will cover the entire year and making sure they are there at the business end of the season. It does highlight the difference between coaching at Super level and test level though, there's no such thing as an inconsequential loss when you are AB head coach, even if they are exactly that in the context of the competitions they are playing in. E.G. we won Bledisloe and TRC last year, but most fans think the year was a complete disaster worthy of immediately sacking the coach.
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@Victor-Meldrew @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Image how much they'd have beaten Robertson's Crusaders by if they'd have been match-fit.... 😎
they didn't stop playing, their home games were in Aus for a few months, and that was last year.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Cripes, the silliness of your arguments are mind-blowing. I understand the logical arguments against Razor and they are legit but bloody hell......
Get a bloody humour transplant, it was obviously a pisstake FFS!!!
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@kiwi_expat read above reply to Sumurai, this thread is so old hat, you I really believed that most are taking the proverbial, and not sure how anyone is taking it very seriously .
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@nzzp said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Poe's law?
I went back and had a look. I couldn't tell it was a meant to be funny....
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nzzp said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Poe's law?
I went back and had a look. I couldn't tell it was a meant to be funny....
to be fair, neither did I. And that's kind of the point - if it was satire, it fooled a whole lotta people
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nzzp said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Poe's law?
I went back and had a look. I couldn't tell it was a meant to be funny....
Well I have to admit I must try and put laughing face on posts who don't realise that I wouldn't blame Razor for Crusader's dropping a game, I don't normally blame the coach as it's normally the players that lose the games anyway.
Anyway from now on I promise to try and remember that having a half hearted pisstake is going to go well over some's heads.
So apologies to those posters. I sure many of you will be trying to check the height weight ratio that booboo mnetions a couple of posts back!! -
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@BerniesCorner the key question about it all, is will we get to 6,000 posts on the topic before then?
so 2 weeks, almost 400 posts, we gonna get to 6,000 easy, I'd wager 5,000 of them are saying the same thing over and over, making this the most repetitive thread ever, surely
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Cripes, the silliness of your arguments are mind-blowing. I understand the logical arguments against Razor and they are legit but bloody hell......
Get a bloody humour transplant, it was obviously a pisstake FFS!!!
Uh huh.... It is very telling I can't tell the difference between "a pisstake" and your other arguments in this thread
