Foster, Robertson etc
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Departing Gatland backs Razor as All Blacks coach
Warren Gatland has returned for a second stint as coach of Wales.
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
All Blacks: NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson wary of losing Crusaders coach Scott Robertson to foreign rivals | Newshub
The successful Crusaders coach looms as possible successor to Ian Foster for the All Blacks role.
Interesting that Gatland in the NZ Herald recommends Razor for ABs coach when they are both tagged to the England job, maybe Gatland is a smart cookie after all... edit: Oh, Gatland signed to Wales so drops out of England reckoning? Could still be a smart 6N tactic...
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While NZR certainly has oversight of the community game, my guess is that they'd have a more direct impact on the All Blacks and Black Ferns, and the clubs and the provincial unions would have a much greater direct impact on running Saturdays for the kids and the Pressies & co.
It's a long time since I was involved with a rugby club, but that would mirror my experience of a committee that I am on. The national (and international) sporting body does set the overall framework. But whether the Associations and Clubs below them all follow their new online scoring systems (etc) for the amateur game or Saturday morning kids experience is sometimes another matter
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@Donsteppa said in Foster, Robertson etc:
While NZR certainly has oversight of the community game, my guess is that they'd have a more direct impact on the All Blacks and Black Ferns, and the clubs and the provincial unions would have a much greater direct impact on running Saturdays for the kids and the Pressies & co.
It's a long time since I was involved with a rugby club, but that would mirror my experience of a committee that I am on. The national (and international) sporting body does set the overall framework. But whether the Associations and Clubs below them all follow their new online scoring systems (etc) for the amateur game or Saturday morning kids experience is sometimes another matter
You are 100% correct The National body have Little to do with the actual running of Rugby below NPC level.
The clubs and Provincial Unions administrate below.The NZR board run the money making identities at the top and put their main focus into that.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
Most of them because they have proved it.
One I have had many a dealings with at lower levels and he has no idea.You not liking one of them because you know him does not prove that the Board have no rugby nous or background as you claimed. Neither does claiming they've proved it.
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
Most of them because they have proved it.
One I have had many a dealings with at lower levels and he has no idea.You not liking one of them because you know him does not prove that the Board have no rugby nous or background as you claimed. Neither does claiming they've proved it.
It points to a problem on the board doesn't it.
They have proved it over a number of instances all posted about on here by many people as you well know. -
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
Most of them because they have proved it.
One I have had many a dealings with at lower levels and he has no idea.You not liking one of them because you know him does not prove that the Board have no rugby nous or background as you claimed. Neither does claiming they've proved it.
It points to a problem on the board doesn't it.
They have proved it over a number of instances all posted about on here by many people as you well know.The Board's performance doesn't matter in a discussion whether they have rugby nous or background (which is the only comment I have been discussing with you on this thread). I've worked with highly experienced and qualified Boards who have done poor jobs and less experienced and qualified ones who have done great jobs.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
Problem is, the ABs are the money maker...so they are the key to everything below, so if NZR's handle on the ABs aint where it should be, it has a knock effect down the line....I think this year may be more of an anomoly in that the ABs have been average, but the Black Ferns have flown the flag, and possibly helped keep interest levels up despite the usual shop window display not being up to standard.
Agree about money being key being the key (and AB brand being the driver) etc,, but I do think NZR is one of the most solvent rugby unions in the world , so someone doing something right
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere! -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!That was a bit of humour not bitterness or did that go over you head like everything else.
And on the other side of the coin because I have a different take on things to you your responses to my posts seem bitter to me. -
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
Most of them because they have proved it.
One I have had many a dealings with at lower levels and he has no idea.You not liking one of them because you know him does not prove that the Board have no rugby nous or background as you claimed. Neither does claiming they've proved it.
It points to a problem on the board doesn't it.
They have proved it over a number of instances all posted about on here by many people as you well know.The Board's performance doesn't matter in a discussion whether they have rugby nous or background (which is the only comment I have been discussing with you on this thread). I've worked with highly experienced and qualified Boards who have done poor jobs and less experienced and qualified ones who have done great jobs.
Well it goes hand in hand does it not.
If you are making mistakes as a board which they have/are and they are governing a code.
Then they have no ability to understand how to govern it from what I have seen.That lacks nous or is it just bad luck.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
All Blacks: NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson wary of losing Crusaders coach Scott Robertson to foreign rivals | Newshub
The successful Crusaders coach looms as possible successor to Ian Foster for the All Blacks role.
Interesting that Gatland in the NZ Herald recommends Razor for ABs coach when they are both tagged to the England job, maybe Gatland is a smart cookie after all... edit: Oh, Gatland signed to Wales so drops out of England reckoning? Could still be a smart 6N tactic...
"Things have changed in world rugby, in the past, New Zealand would advertise for All Black positions and think that 30 coaches in the world are going to put their names forward...."
"You can't wait till after the World Cup and think people are going to come knocking on your door, because that doesn't happen in professional sport."
just another example of how clueless & out of touch the NZR suits are.
"And that's how other countries are doing it at the moment, they’re drawing up lists of a small number of candidates that they want to talk to over the next few months, and some of them are looking to make announcements early next year."
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!That was a bit of humour not bitterness or did that go over you head like everything else.
And on the other side of the coin because I have a different take on things to you your responses to my posts seem bitter to me.I knewe you were being a bit sarcastic mate, and sorry about missing the humour, that I always thought was meant to make us laugh!!
But anyway , enough on the subject, you deem the NZR board idiots, I rate them as quite reasonable, otherwise I would be asking the fellas on provinces etc why they appoint them. I will say again, I don't know a forum from any country I can go into where the a number of posters couldn't do better than the existing board.
And not just case in rugby, almost any sport or walk of life.
And that not aimed at you who I am sure are involved in making game better. -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS Nail on head exactly!!
I will add anyone who wants change has to do something instead of whinging on the net.
A: get on your local rugby/soccer.cricket etc club board.
B : Get the club to make presentations to board above to get changes made you require and they take it higher.
If you can't be arsed doing A, you need to think on it and see if you care enough, and if B can't be done it probably means you are in minority anyway?
But as you say, there is always the net to say how you could or would do it better.
And mo reason you can't give opinion, just namecalling and etc aren't really positive.
Lol maybe I just getting to old to read all the anti stuff and like seeing positives in life.Maybe people have all ready done all of the above and more and are sick of seeing the fuck ups.
You are judging people without knowing them doing exactly what you are moaning about.Negative stuff is because people care and people stuff up it’s life.
Everyone can not live life wearing rose tinted glasses.Nothing gets fixed or challenged so nothing gets better.Yep Chris , I guess people have done the above, and proves my point, a lot more of the people who actually are involved, do the work etc know what skills they want and need running the organisation. As I keep saying there seem to be a few who think NZR's main job is to run the ABs etc. I got news for them, it's to run the game for all from 5yo Johnny/Jenny to old Trev playing his last year or two in presidents game and everyone in between.
I believe the game is run badly when I can't go and stand on sidelines, watch and enjoy it with other likeminded people, and then have perhaps a drink after and a natter about the game etc. You know I do this almost every week in the season, and all the people I spend time with there , most have opinions of what they want done better, but none that I can recall are as bitter as the ones who seem to get carried away on the net.Well if you are calling me bitter then you are assuming shit again.
Concerned, frustrated,Wanting our game to be better right down to the grass roots.
That is what I call it.Sorry Chris I obviously got the wrong idea when you posted this:'
If that is not incompetence WTF is.(You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.)See to me that sounds a little bitter and does adds nothing positive. I actually think our game is run bloody well in general, we have structures in place where we can get support from further up the line at almost any level of rugby in NZ. At kids level we tend to be in a position where kids can play the game with very little cost, (in my experience anyway), club level same, I can't say for all provinces , but ones I have been involved in there was always support from above when required, and same at provincial level. That is what is important to me.
I can tell only compare with when I been involved with club in Aus and here, it's incredible the difference. Here the more players you have playing in a union, the more financial help you get to help run it, where over there the more players you have (and that included kids) , the more money you pay to support the higher echelons of rugby.
That to me speaks of a successfully run union, not a perfect one and I sure they can improve , but I don't know of any that can't improve from country to club rugby anywhere!That was a bit of humour not bitterness or did that go over you head like everything else.
And on the other side of the coin because I have a different take on things to you your responses to my posts seem bitter to me.I knewe you were being a bit sarcastic mate, and sorry about missing the humour, that I always thought was meant to make us laugh!!
But anyway , enough on the subject, you deem the NZR board idiots, I rate them as quite reasonable, otherwise I would be asking the fellas on provinces etc why they appoint them. I will say again, I don't know a forum from any country I can go into where the a number of posters couldn't do better than the existing board.
And not just case in rugby, almost any sport or walk of life.Well humour is subjective is it not.Each to their own as far as humour goes.
Well lets just see how this board does going forward because they need to get things right and get with the program.
The problem is if people are just going to cheer lead and say everything is ok after the last few years it will not get any better.
Boards coaches people need to be held accountable for mistakes and challenged to improve.
Part of the problem we have now world wide is the she will be right attitude that improves nothing and a I am entitled because I am,you are entitled to nothing unless you work for it boards included.. -
A bit more in this Article from the Gatland interview discussing Razor.
****There’s only one standout person, and New Zealand [Rugby] should be doing everything they can to make sure they can secure his services long-term.”Asked how NZR must then go about doing that, Gatland said it was simple.
******“You offer him a contract, don’t you?
“Things have changed in world rugby, in the past, New Zealand would advertise for All Black positions and think that 30 coaches in the world are going to put their names forward, and then all of a sudden they realise, oh actually we’ve only got two people put their names forward, which is what happened last time.
So you’ve got to change your focus in terms of identifying the people that you want to talk to, you’ve got to keep that as confidential as possible, and that process should be starting now. You can’t wait till after the World Cup and think people are going to come knocking on your door, because that doesn’t happen in professional sport.******“And that’s how other countries are doing it at the moment, they’re drawing up lists of a small number of candidates that they want to talk to over the next few months, and some of them are loo****king to make announcements early next year.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/130677726/offer-him-a-contract-warren-gatland-endorses-scott-robertson-as-all-blacks-coach -
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
All Blacks: NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson wary of losing Crusaders coach Scott Robertson to foreign rivals | Newshub
The successful Crusaders coach looms as possible successor to Ian Foster for the All Blacks role.
Interesting that Gatland in the NZ Herald recommends Razor for ABs coach when they are both tagged to the England job, maybe Gatland is a smart cookie after all... edit: Oh, Gatland signed to Wales so drops out of England reckoning? Could still be a smart 6N tactic...
"Things have changed in world rugby, in the past, New Zealand would advertise for All Black positions and think that 30 coaches in the world are going to put their names forward...."
"You can't wait till after the World Cup and think people are going to come knocking on your door, because that doesn't happen in professional sport."
just another example of how clueless & out of touch the NZR suits are.
"And that's how other countries are doing it at the moment, they’re drawing up lists of a small number of candidates that they want to talk to over the next few months, and some of them are looking to make announcements early next year."
Where is it written that NZR are doing this, this time?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Departing Gatland backs Razor as All Blacks coach
Warren Gatland has returned for a second stint as coach of Wales.
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@Chris Yep , but there a difference between cheer leading and saying everything is ok, that neither I nor anyone else has said , and not giving credit for anything maybe. I think in general NZR do a good job, actually think that about almost every rugby board,including England/Wales etc, but can not prefect.
But anyway, we actually agree that they can do better in some things, and every board/club/governmet/etc etc can.
Anyway we probably discussed it enough,, even allowing for the fact we haven't got any games to get our teeth into! -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris Yep , but there a difference between cheer leading and saying everything is ok, that neither I nor anyone else has said , and not giving credit for anything maybe.
But anyway, we actually agree that they can do better in some things, and every board/club/governmet/etc etc can.
Anyway we probably discussed it enough,, even allowing for the fact we haven't got any games to get our teeth into!Yep fair call on to the next thing, I respect your opinion even if it is slightly different too mine.
