Foster, Robertson etc
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
I’m fucking counting down.
It's getting close to pitchfork time
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What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badlyWe've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
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It's also really important that the people that made the decision to appoint Foster instead of another more highly credentialed coach be held accountable for that decision. More than just Foster needs to go.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
I thinkthere is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix ityou dont need "I think" in there, 4 losses form our last 5, and how many games in between the SA loss and the 1st Irish Loss in 2021, 3?, so 5 losses from our last 8 outings?
Take out Fiji, Tonga, USA and Italy in the past 24 months she is pretty bleak reading!
11 wins, 7 losses and a draw...57.9% win ratio
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badlyWe've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
We've been trying to combat the rush defence since 2017, it is the entire NZR and Hansen jobs for the boys shit that is the problem. Add to NZR's awful work with our 'closest' partners (SR shit), and internal stakeholders (Silverlake shit) points to them all resigning by 630!
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@nzzp said in Foster must go:
Someone said there was an 0900 press conference this morning. Anyone got any sauce?
Also, continuing the theme, autocorrect press went to pies. Go Foster
I'm down with a pies conference. I'll even take one for the team.
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I wonder how NZ would react if Razor did take over and the ABs were still bundled out in the WC quarters. Because that could still very well happen.
And I don't expect Razor to unlock the rush defence. The Saders have had trouble dealing with the Chiefs when they have executed their version of it well.
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@junior said in Foster must go:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
Rugby: When you accept mediocrity, this is what happens
Analysis - An attitude of mediocrity has got the All Blacks to where they are now: losing four of their last five tests and a solid case for the worst All Black side ever, Jamie Wall writes.
“There is a certain type of New Zealander on social media. Chances are they are commenting on this very story right now, probably making spelling errors and thinking that they represent a modern, common sense attitude towards the All Blacks and rugby in general. Chances are they haven't and won't actually read this either.”
I think he’s talking about old mate @Dan54 here
Never accept mediocrity mate, just don't pretend to know all the answers,I also know I have never yet seen perfection in a game. I just got home from test (stayed in Wellington etc), hey thats why I come in here to see what they are, and you will obviously be able to enlighten me. Lol
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@SBW1 said in Foster must go:
@Chris Tamati Ellison as defense coach he has be phenomenal with the Crusaders. 200 plus tackles v the Chiefs setting a new Super Rugby record, what better credentials would he need.
Yes he has been Awesome he would be in the mix.
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@Victor-Meldrew Are you Jeff Wilson in disguise?
He looks more like you every time I see him!
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#1 seems solid enough
We don't seem to choose our top hooker ST (and if he is 1st, 2nd and 3rd are getting old, 4th i.e. the new 2nd is up in the air, and we don't play the top hooker, ST, according to the vast majority of pundits in a must-win series)*
#3 prop -who is that?
#4 and #5 are trying but 80 minutes without a headfart seems harder and harder
#6 is Shannon if Foster could get away with it
#7 is a guy more banged up than David Carradine in Death Race 2000, his place isn't secure but his main contender would rather play 8 (DP?)
#8 is Ardie who could be the best forward impact sub in world rugby but wants to play 8 eveven though he sometimes plays like a 7 still
#9 is Aaron Smith who doesn't seem to have two good matches in a row and is getting slower [ok, this is probably a bit unfair on Aaron]
#10 is god knows
##11 and #14 Reece seems to play well at wing this season and so does Jordie but he is really a 15
#12 is unclear still
#13 is maybe Rieko who still looks great..on the wing..but defending is better, it is just passing to support that still seems a work on...and kicking and,.
#15 is Jordie who may be a 12 but isn't kicking as accurately as he used to be apart from conversions ...Going into 2023, 1,9,11, 14, maybe 15, are the least contentious or unstable positions (maybe you add #8) ok 6/15 positions look relatively secure. Perhaps add Whitelock, 7/15. But given we are supposed to have a surfeit of great loosies our trio looks completely unsynchronised. Our use of the 10 (Richie or BB) is criminally ineffective and god knows what is the best midfield (or front row combo).
So I'd gather from that, most positions are up for grabs, don't have the best player, or have a player who should really retire or recuperate by 2023
*scratch that, must receive learnings-series
NB Foster has admitted previously that learnings have a limited shelf-life. Not sure how long they last though. -
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This article says it all:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/17/hand-in-the-resignation-fozz-for-your-countrys-sake/ -
@mencey said in Foster must go:
This article says it all:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/17/hand-in-the-resignation-fozz-for-your-countrys-sake/Leave the jersey in a better place, fosters fucking up all 23!
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
Rugby: When you accept mediocrity, this is what happens
Analysis - An attitude of mediocrity has got the All Blacks to where they are now: losing four of their last five tests and a solid case for the worst All Black side ever, Jamie Wall writes.
Fantastic Article
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@Machpants dunno, I listened to that this morning, Fozzie sounded broken.
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@Crazy-Horse I think it all depends how we play.
While a loss should never be ok, if we had played well, but beaten by a better team, so be it.
Sure this Irish team is clearly pretty damned good, but the way we are playing, we dont even know how good they are, cos we are so poor.
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@mencey said in Foster must go:
This article says it all:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/17/hand-in-the-resignation-fozz-for-your-countrys-sake/For me just reads as another "Razor's the Savior" article by a bloke who thinks, somewhat arrogantly IMO, NZ players are a cut above the rest of the world when they clearly aren't anymore. Would have a bit more weight if he'd mentioned Robinson's U20 coaching fiasco in 2016 and while he might be a good choice, he doesn't walk on water.
No, the problems go much deeper than just the Coaching set-up and they need addressing as well.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
#1 seems solid enough
We don't seem to choose our top hooker ST (and if he is 1st, 2nd and 3rd are getting old, 4th i.e. the new 2nd is up in the air, and we don't play the top hooker, ST, according to the vast majority of pundits in a must-win series)*
#3 prop -who is that?
#4 and #5 are trying but 80 minutes without a headfart seems harder and harder
#6 is Shannon if Foster could get away with it
#7 is a guy more banged up than David Carradine in Death Race 2000, his place isn't secure but his main contender would rather play 8 (DP?)
#8 is Ardie who could be the best forward impact sub in world rugby but wants to play 8 eveven though he sometimes plays like a 7 still
#9 is Aaron Smith who doesn't seem to have two good matches in a row and is getting slower [ok, this is probably a bit unfair on Aaron]
#10 is god knows
##11 and #14 Reece seems to play well at wing this season and so does Jordie but he is really a 15
#12 is unclear still
#13 is maybe Rieko who still looks great..on the wing..but defending is better, it is just passing to support that still seems a work on...and kicking and,.
#15 is Jordie who may be a 12 but isn't kicking as accurately as he used to be apart from conversions ...Going into 2023, 1,9,11, 14, maybe 15, are the least contentious or unstable positions (maybe you add #8) ok 6/15 positions look relatively secure. Perhaps add Whitelock, 7/15. But given we are supposed to have a surfeit of great loosies our trio looks completely unsynchronised. Our use of the 10 (Richie or BB) is criminally ineffective and god knows what is the best midfield (or front row combo).
So I'd gather from that, most positions are up for grabs, don't have the best player, or have a player who should really retire or recuperate by 2023
*scratch that, must receive learnings-series
NB Foster has admitted previously that learnings have a limited shelf-life. Not sure how long they last though.Yeah I can't argue with any of that.Unless a new coach could resurrect a couple of the players who are fading.
