Foster, Robertson etc
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@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
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@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
Fingers crossed. Though I fear the blithering NZRU would use those words too literally...
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
He's an independent contractor . Give the man some credit, if he is asked to go he is very unlikely to take them to court. His contract will have clauses around cancellation.
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
I don't know what is in his contract but I strongly suspect there would be some performance standards and ability to remove him if the standards aren't met. Probably written in vague terms, hence the review needed.
If not, they can simply sack him and pay out his contract. Be expensive but less expensive than continuing to destroy the brand.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
He's an independent contractor . Give the man some credit, if he is asked to go he is very unlikely to take them to court. His contract will have clauses around cancellation.
Is he a contractor? I assumed he would be an employee.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
He's an independent contractor . Give the man some credit, if he is asked to go he is very unlikely to take them to court. His contract will have clauses around cancellation.
I wasn't implying Fozz would make a potential exit messy
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@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
He's an independent contractor . Give the man some credit, if he is asked to go he is very unlikely to take them to court. His contract will have clauses around cancellation.
Is he a contractor? I assumed he would be an employee.
The players are all contractors, I assume the rest of the staff are too. NZR only employ office staff as far as I know.
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@Damo well you have hoped winning this series was a major KPI....
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Damo well you have hoped winning this series was a major KPI....
Unlikely given Robinson's statement of 'unacceptable' prior to a formal review.
My guess is that the contact termination wording is broad and talks about 'performance and other factors that may result in an agreed termination of contract' or even just the second part.
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@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
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@Machpants from the article it was canceled at the last minute and not his decision. He said he wasn't sure why it wasn't going ahead when they asked him.
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@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
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I cannot see a scenario of Foster staying but various assistants being given the boot because who in their right mind would want to work under Foster currently? You think they were short-staffed finding assistants last time, that'll be nothing compared to now.
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@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
Fuck off.
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@Donsteppa said in Will Foster go?:
And if he doesn't go... how many people are honestly looking forward to tuning into the next Test?
I'm not spending $120 to watch the Argentinean test in Hamilton, the first time I won't be going to a local test when in NZ. My attendance was contingent on the performance in Wellington, so the ABs made that decision for me.
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@Biorealism said in Foster must go:
@Machpants from the article it was canceled at the last minute and not his decision. He said he wasn't sure why it wasn't going ahead when they asked him.
Just because he said that, it doesn't mean that it is true. "I don't know" might sound a bit better than "I have a urgent performance review to prepare for" or "I need to reconsider my future" or "I want to avoid the media to get my head straight"
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@Frank said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
Fuck off.
That’s probably what DDL would say too. He’s always very committed to any role he takes on.
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@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
Short of saying the board has full confidence in the manager this is exactly what is usually said about four days before the manager "resigns" or has their contract terminated. English football is often a good example of this.
