Foster, Robertson etc
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If Foster tells the players to play with pride in the jersey, but he has less pride in AB rugby, is only selfishly looking at his contract, while leading loss after loss, then the players will not trust his words and ideas.
The responsible thing would have been for him to resign after the Irish lost series. Over the years, he must have saved a heap of money. Forcing the NZRU to come up with extra money to buy out his contract, while watching the AB record going down the drain must be very stressful if he has a normal conscience.
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If (when) foster goes I would let the new coach start on the NH tour.
I’d go interim coach or even player/coach. Such a mess.
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Billy-Tell Scotland and Wales on EOYT, more records to break...
The Jocks will be rubbing their hands together
It’ll be a glorious day
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Key RWC pool game will be ire vs SA. Winner gets NZ loser gets France. Neither will want France.
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@MN5 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Billy-Tell Scotland and Wales on EOYT, more records to break...
The Jocks will be rubbing their hands together
It’ll be a glorious day
Hands! He wrote Hands!
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@Wairau said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
If Foster tells the players to play with pride in the jersey, but he has less pride in AB rugby, is only selfishly looking at his contract, while leading loss after loss, then the players will not trust his words and ideas.
The responsible thing would have been for him to resign after the Irish lost series. Over the years, he must have saved a heap of money. Forcing the NZRU to come up with extra money to buy out his contract, while watching the AB record going down the drain must be very stressful if he has a normal conscience.
That’s very speculative and there’s no evidence that is happening. I’m sure he has an agent or someone that is looking out for his interests, like many others do, but I think there is a fair amount of jumping at shadows. Perhaps one for the conspiracy theory thread…
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@sparky said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Razor to be in charge surely when the ABs play Argentina in Christchurch on August 27th?
He’d be on a hiding to nothing. As a minimum he would need to be allowed to reselect a squad. He seems to be a good coach (untested at international level) but he needs time. I mean let’s say he takes over and we keep losing. Then what?
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@sparky said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Razor to be in charge surely when the ABs play Argentina in Christchurch on August 27th?
He’d be on a hiding to nothing. As a minimum he would need to be allowed to reselect a squad. He seems to be a good coach (untested at international level) but he needs time. I mean let’s say he takes over and we keep losing. Then what?
Well we are currently 5th. I'm not sure how much more we can plummet.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@sparky said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Razor to be in charge surely when the ABs play Argentina in Christchurch on August 27th?
He’d be on a hiding to nothing. As a minimum he would need to be allowed to reselect a squad. He seems to be a good coach (untested at international level) but he needs time. I mean let’s say he takes over and we keep losing. Then what?
Well we are currently 5th. I'm not sure how much more we can plummet.
Lose to argies and we will go lower. The only team is still be confident against is Italy. Any if the other 4N and 6N sides I’d not bet my house.
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@sparky said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Razor to be in charge surely when the ABs play Argentina in Christchurch on August 27th?
He’d be on a hiding to nothing. As a minimum he would need to be allowed to reselect a squad. He seems to be a good coach (untested at international level) but he needs time. I mean let’s say he takes over and we keep losing. Then what?
Well we are currently 5th. I'm not sure how much more we can plummet.
Lose to argies and we will go lower. The only team is still be confident against is Italy. Any if the other 4N and 6N sides I’d not bet my house.
Arghh! You are right! Plus the Argies playing better rugby than us! We're like a hapless Wallabies side!
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent ☺️
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
The first thing that needs to happen is that Mark Robinson is on the next flight back to NZ. First he was the kiss of death for the sevens teams in Birmingham, and now he is in SA.
Maybe he is there for the end of test 2 to be kiss of death to a certain someone? Learnings.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent ☺️
The turnaround came with a new coach - Jack Gleason - who nobody seemed to want except the NZRFU, IIRC. Was a bit of a maverick, dumped a load of star players, appointed a Test debutante (Mourie) as Captain. People thought he was bonkers and wanted him removed as coach but he injected intelligence and shrewdness in the team.
Need some of that shit now, I reckon.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent ☺️
The turnaround came with a new coach - Jack Gleason - who nobody seemed to want except the NZRFU, IIRC. Was a bit of a maverick, dumped a load of star players, appointed a Test debutante (Mourie) as Captain. People thought he was bonkers and wanted him removed as coach but he injected intelligence and shrewdness in the team.
Need some of that shit now, I reckon.
We need someone who can add a bit of clarity to the entire setup, from selections to tactics to the atmosphere in the group
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent ☺️
The turnaround came with a new coach - Jack Gleason - who nobody seemed to want except the NZRFU, IIRC. Was a bit of a maverick, dumped a load of star players, appointed a Test debutante (Mourie) as Captain. People thought he was bonkers and wanted him removed as coach but he injected intelligence and shrewdness in the team.
Need some of that shit now, I reckon.
We need someone who can add a bit of clarity to the entire setup, from selections to tactics to the atmosphere in the group
It must be a difficult position for the players. When the coaches game plan isn't working, they may want to do some off the cuff plays or change the approach slightly on the field depending on the situation. But if it goes wrong, they can see negativity in the press and the public, so may decide to stick with what they've been told.
Doubt it, but I don't think it should be underestimated. ABs are human beings, not robots.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent ☺️
The turnaround came with a new coach - Jack Gleason - who nobody seemed to want except the NZRFU, IIRC. Was a bit of a maverick, dumped a load of star players, appointed a Test debutante (Mourie) as Captain. People thought he was bonkers and wanted him removed as coach but he injected intelligence and shrewdness in the team.
Need some of that shit now, I reckon.
We need someone who can add a bit of clarity to the entire setup, from selections to tactics to the atmosphere in the group
Pure speculation, but I wonder if the team has lost confidence in itself, can't see the route to winning, are in a vicious downward spiral mentally and the pressure on Foster (who they like) is just adding to that.
From business performance experience, sometimes you need someone (generally external) to tell a team it isn't the management, they are the ones not performing, they need to fix it and ask in no uncertain terms what they are going to do about it.
