Foster, Robertson etc
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The elephant in the room. Been outsourcing all the IP around the world for the last decade. Players like Piutau, Luatua, and Vito are better than some of the shite we have been utilising in their positions over the last few years too.
I would have told O'Gara to fuck right off if his CV landed on my desk, but hey ho, we are upskilling the future Ireland coach and giving him a behind the scenes tour at how our best club and its conveyor belt of talent operates.
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As I alluded to in other posts, while there has been an obvious decline in the playing standards there has also been a concerted effort from NZ to be the "nice guys".
Lions test 3 was a debacle with Romain "we have a deal" Poite and Garces.
Remember Mako Vunipola smashing Beauden Barrett in the face about 5 yards past a ruck in the same series..no red no citing.
Remember Sean O Brien sparking Naholo out in a maul with a swinging arm..no red.And the media just let it go. All the focus was on SBW.
The Ta'avao , Porter, Aki inconsistencies in this series.
Now Eddie Jones or Rassie Erasmus would not let that sort of shite happen to their team and go unmentioned. Rightly or Wrongly Rassie basically turned the recent Lions series with his video stunt.
Remember the Rassie "tackle" coaching video with Esterhuizen that tongue in cheek highlighted Owen Farrells shoulder charging.It took the Corinthian spirit of Eddie Jones to stand up for Ta'avao while our own empty suits kept schtum.
Am I saying we should be bleating all the time.....No.
But this stoicism by management and media in the face of being rail roaded by refs has to stop.
Twitter, other message boards and the media is choc-a-block with cries of "thuggery" and "cheats" whenever NZ do something. I seen a guy on twitter say Ta'avao "torpedoed" himself into RIngrose. Thats the shite you are dealing with.
I don't want Foster to keep his job but we are giving suckers an even break here. Those refereeing decisions in this Ireland series had a huge impact on the result. Ian Foster aside, you do not want to be filling the Irish (and the rest) with confidence by looking like a lame duck team. Everyone fancies their chances now. This Allblack team is now losing more than its winning. That ruins the players and gives a lift to their future opposition.
We are being bullied on and off the pitch. In the papers, on the touchline, in the stands and on the field.
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@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
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@Steve I don't care about the peripheral stuff. What I care about is that we don't do the basics well right now. We don't look organised, or focussed, on attack or defence. We are shit at the breakdown. That is not AB rugby and if we get back to doing that stuff the results will come. But I have zero faith in Fozz returning those things because he's failed to do so in his 2 years so far
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with
There most certainly are alternatives!
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with
There most certainly are alternatives!
I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with
There most certainly are alternatives!
I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course
Well so far the rumours have all been wrong, and NZR should offer razor until 2025 with specific targets to allow him to continue until 27 (like get back the bled foster is about to lose)
I find it quite funny NZR are following the versus Cheika playbook. Adopting some one above him (Schmidt, sorta), and replace assistants. That worked so well for Oz....
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.
This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...
Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem
Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with
There most certainly are alternatives!
I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course
Well so far the rumours have all been wrong, and NZR should offer razor until 2025 with specific targets to allow him to continue until 27 (like get back the bled foster is about to lose)
I find it quite funny NZR are following the versus Cheika playbook. Adopting some one above him (Schmidt, sorta), and replace assistants. That worked so well for Oz....
Totally agree. Knowing Robinson by his previous form this is just another way to fuck things up and prolong the misery
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I agree. All im saying is that these defeats are compounding the decline.
That could have been a scrappy, undeserved series win against a great Irish side if the reffing was consistent.
Instead we have an inept coaching ticket (we already knew that) AND a team that's unravelling confidence and skill wise.
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@Steve said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I agree. All im saying is that these defeats are compounding the decline.
That could have been a scrappy, undeserved series win against a great Irish side if the reffing was consistent.
Instead we have an inept coaching ticket (we already knew that) AND a team that's unravelling confidence and skill wise.
A series win would have papered over the giant cracks in our "systems" right now. The RC/YC situation is a total lottery right now for sure. But we shouldn't have to depend on the ref keeping us in the game or bailing us out. We just look like a disorganised rabble right now
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@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Yep I do feel better with those 2 there ,
But Foster and McLeod could still stink the whole place out
For me it just seems crazy we are in this position
The NZR dump 2 coaches that were part of Fosters original group that got the vote to take the ABs to the WC,now 2 are gone because they were shit and Ryan comes in originally one of Razors coaching group.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Yep I do feel better with those 2 there ,
But Foster and McLeod could still stink the whole place out
For me it just seems crazy we are in this position
The NZR dump 2 coaches that were part of Fosters original group that got the vote to take the ABs to the WC,now 2 are gone because they were shit and Ryan comes in originally one of Razors coaching group.
Complete and utter mess.As I’ve mentioned earlier, I think it’s NZRU’s way of essentially guaranteeing Razor the job from 2024. Assuming Ryan reviews well, he stays and Razor now has consistency in his coaching team.
If Razor gets Schmidt on board, he’s home and hosed.
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@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Yep I do feel better with those 2 there ,
But Foster and McLeod could still stink the whole place out
For me it just seems crazy we are in this position
The NZR dump 2 coaches that were part of Fosters original group that got the vote to take the ABs to the WC,now 2 are gone because they were shit and Ryan comes in originally one of Razors coaching group.
Complete and utter mess.As I’ve mentioned earlier, I think it’s NZRU’s way of essentially guaranteeing Razor the job from 2024. Assuming Ryan reviews well, he stays and Razor now has consistency in his coaching team.
If Razor gets Schmidt on board, he’s home and hosed.
I really hope you are right.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article
“We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?
Down the toilet.
Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?
The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.
Would I still prefer Razor there?
Yes, but this is the response I expected.
Yep I do feel better with those 2 there ,
But Foster and McLeod could still stink the whole place out
For me it just seems crazy we are in this position
The NZR dump 2 coaches that were part of Fosters original group that got the vote to take the ABs to the WC,now 2 are gone because they were shit and Ryan comes in originally one of Razors coaching group.
Complete and utter mess.As I’ve mentioned earlier, I think it’s NZRU’s way of essentially guaranteeing Razor the job from 2024. Assuming Ryan reviews well, he stays and Razor now has consistency in his coaching team.
If Razor gets Schmidt on board, he’s home and hosed.
I really hope you are right.
As you’ve seen from my posts on the Chief’s threads, I’m an eternal optimist
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I half expect Foster to move on, but Robertson to not be appointed. That has been, after all, the NZR way for decades now.
I suspect Robinson's seemingly all-or-nothing demands and refusing to become an Assistant Coach hasn't played well with NZR and they have concerns about his being a team player. It's poor optics for the public as well.
But then, imagine the meltdown on here if Robertson
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@Victor-Meldrew I think there would be a meltdown on the Fern straight away if Robinson was appointed Head Coach.
Robertson on the hand ....
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@Stargazer maybe Mark Robinson really has been the head coach all along ...
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@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew I think there would be a meltdown on the Fern straight away if Robinson was appointed Head Coach.
Robertson on the hand ....
I should have called him Razor the Saviour to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew I think there would be a meltdown on the Fern straight away if Robinson was appointed Head Coach.
Robertson on the hand ....
I should have called him Razor the Saviour to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding...
I like it Razor the saviour
Not like foster the failure
