The Current State of Rugby
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@Mackerzzzz said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
Joe Marler banned for 'wholly inappropriate' comment
Joe Marler has been banned for two weeks with a further four weeks suspended for comments made towards Bristol flanker Jake Heenan.
All though I totally agree with you, what Joe said was pretty fucked up... I'm mean if someone called my mum a whore, I would totally punch them as well. Especially if they're in hospital with cancer.
I have never understood why people get so angry at slurs against their mother by people who don't know their mother from a bar of soap.
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
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One of my favourite slurs I've ever heard... I went to a soccer match at the Maracana... and a massive section of the crowd were singing/chanting something. I'd gone with a local, and eventually managed to convince him to translate it for me.
They were chanting at one particular player, something like....Your mother is a whore, and she is ashamed of you
Fucking brilliant.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I don’t think his integrity is in question but his competence should be. That all sounded like a cop out on decision making to me. The old ‘my hands are tied , I have to penalise you’ bullshit.
Avoiding having to make judgment on the field on something that was pretty obvious. -
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Marler's a grub
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges, I actually also heard Zinzan laughing he never heard most of Fitzie's sledges (and Norm Hewitt says he always just called him a useless black c***) when he used to go at it. I just think the whole thing is getting blown out of proportion myself, pretty classless by Marler, but I doubt whether it's the only thing that is said on field.
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@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges,
If Heenan and other players can hear it, Dickson would've and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
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@antipodean Yep mate, well I knew a couple of refs who told me they heard almost nothing when they reffed, one of them was one who did prem/senior games, and said he had ear piece in so he could hear ARs etc, and just blocked out almost all other stuff, it was in discussion about crowd abuse etc. You could be right, but I don't he had any reason to lie.
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@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean Yep mate, well I knew a couple of refs who told me they heard almost nothing when they reffed, one of them was one who did prem/senior games, and said he had ear piece in so he could hear ARs etc, and just blocked out almost all other stuff, it was in discussion about crowd abuse etc. You could be right, but I don't he had any reason to lie.
I can understand that. At the top level you’d have to shut out a lot to be concentrating on what was happening and calculating happenings against laws. Eg running through thought processes.
The main reason refs tell players to shut up isn’t because of what they’re saying but because of the distraction form thinking clearly. -
Everyone is saying the same thing about the Manu Tuilagi incident
Many rugby fans are questioning how Sale Sharks centre Manu Tuilagi went unpunished for a collision with Tommy Allan...
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Everyone is saying the same thing about the Manu Tuilagi incident
Many rugby fans are questioning how Sale Sharks centre Manu Tuilagi went unpunished for a collision with Tommy Allan...
At least a YC
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@MiketheSnow for what?
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow for what?
Dropping the shoulder into his head
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow for what?
Dropping the shoulder into his head
Lol what?? The guy fell over into tuilagi who was at nearly knee height
I watched this on reddit a few times this morning
That's a rugby incident. No fault anywhere
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow for what?
Dropping the shoulder into his head
Lol what?? The guy fell over into tuilagi who was at nearly knee height
I watched this on reddit a few times this morning
That's a rugby incident. No fault anywhere
Tuilagi wasn't even looking from like 3 miles out and just launching a shoulder to try and maim in some way. If he'd hit Tupaea in the knee we'd all be having a sook.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow for what?
Dropping the shoulder into his head
Lol what?? The guy fell over into tuilagi who was at nearly knee height
I watched this on reddit a few times this morning
That's a rugby incident. No fault anywhere
Tuilagi wasn't even looking from like 3 miles out and just launching a shoulder to try and maim in some way. If he'd hit Tupaea in the knee we'd all be having a sook.
Yep. It is the lack of control and care flying in with a shoulder that is the bad thing here. Forget body heights and intent. That is plain recklessness.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow for what?
Dropping the shoulder into his head
Lol what?? The guy fell over into tuilagi who was at nearly knee height
I watched this on reddit a few times this morning
That's a rugby incident. No fault anywhere
Tuilagi wasn't even looking from like 3 miles out and just launching a shoulder to try and maim in some way. If he'd hit Tupaea in the knee we'd all be having a sook.
Yep. It is the lack of control and care flying in with a shoulder that is the bad thing here. Forget body heights and intent. That is plain recklessness.
lol what? all tackles use shoulders. Tuilagi was no more reckless than the guy that gets clobbered who runs from depth, jumps in to a cluttered zone, loses the ball and falls over trying to regain it.
I'm starting to think some of you guys think that players at the top level see everything in slow motion and have all the time in the world to make adjustments for every variable that comes to pass.
I saw a lot of incidents over the past week or so. Some carded, some not. I am starting to believe that it is impossible to legislate head contact out of rugby without fundamental changes to laws and interpretations.
The ruck is the most obvious example. I saw two reds for cleanouts in Japan. Cruden's was a red all day, and really dumb. But, if you can find it, have a look at the video, and the guy he goes over. Cruden is deadset 5 feet tall. And he goes over a guy with barely a jump. How is that possible if that player in the ruck is on his feet? The interpretation of what is considered on your feet and supporting your body weight has completely got lost.De Allende got marched for a basic cleanout. Yes arrived at speed, but it was on a line break. Didn't launch uncontrolled, corrected his feet, and even bound as he hit. There is no where for him to clean out when the defending player has his head over that ball. So red. If you want that rugby action taken out, you need to remove the ability to pick the ball up with your hands, otherwise maintaining possession becomes almost impossible, when every single player now has to be good at the breakdown.
Removing hands at the tackle area, and being far harsher on body height are fundamental changes to rugby that would do far more to reduce head contact than just carding as many people as you can find (or not carding them aye Farrell?)
