The Current State of Rugby
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club rugby has started again so all good with the world, we yelled and screamed at the ref...we bemoaned lost opportunities due to skill level...but end the end got to spend the day standing in the sun with mates and then had a few beers with the guys we were calling names not long before
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More good news IMO
Rugby: World Rugby announces law changes designed to increase entertainment value | Newshub
It will also trial 20-minute sanctions for red cards and a shot clock for scrums and lineouts, as per Super Rugby Pacific.
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Not sure about this one
"the ability to mark the ball inside the 22 from a restart"
Makes the game less of a contest IMHO.
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I think the aim is to make long kickoffs less attractive. In theory that should encourage shorter contestable kickoffs
Not sure if it will work
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So you can’t call a scrum from a free kick. So if you have a piss weak scrum, just pre-engage early and the opposition can’t call for another scrum from the free kick?
Obviously goes to penalties If you keep doing that, but surely there are all sorts of unintended consequences for a change like that
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
More good news IMO
Rugby: World Rugby announces law changes designed to increase entertainment value | Newshub
It will also trial 20-minute sanctions for red cards and a shot clock for scrums and lineouts, as per Super Rugby Pacific.
I applaud the intention, but there's a risk it'll make the laws even more complex and difficult to ref/follow.
EDIT: Just read the corporate wank:
the governing body also announced their plan “seeks to increase rugby’s accessibility and relevance among a broader, younger fanbase by embracing on-field innovation and reimagined presentation of the sport with compelling storytelling”
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@KiwiMurph said in TRC U20 - NZ v Australia:
@antipodean said in TRC U20 - NZ v Australia:
I just turned it off if that's worthy of a YC.
Dramatic much.
Possibly - depends on your POV. After the RWC final I've just got utterly sick of cards being handed out like confetti. And I'm not excited by the prospect of a team overcoming the disadvantage. It doesn't add to the spectacle for me.
If you don't jump that's what happens.
I know that but I don't agree. It makes no sense to me that a player in a position to make a legal catch is penalised because an opposing player thinks he's Baryshnikov. At no point did the sent off player tackle the player in the air and in mind it raises the following questions:
- Just how far off the ground do you need to be to alleviate the risk some officious clown decides to make himself the centre of attention?
- How long do you need to be stationary before the player charging at you is the one penalised. A split second?
The game isn't better for these interjections. But we see above WR is congratulating itself for trialling shot clocks.
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NH scribes getting it. Very interesting point about the damage from hundreds of minor impacts versus the obvious big ones that get carded
Another final tarnished as Obano’s red card a blight on rugby’s integrity | Michael Aylwin
Northampton suffer as much in the reckoning as question marks will linger over whether they would have won with numbers even
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
NH scribes getting it. Very interesting point about the damage from hundreds of minor impacts versus the obvious big ones that get carded
Another final tarnished as Obano’s red card a blight on rugby’s integrity | Michael Aylwin
Northampton suffer as much in the reckoning as question marks will linger over whether they would have won with numbers even
Agree that RCs should be reserved for acts of foul play, and clear cut recklessness. Anything that needs to be looked at over and over again in slo mo should not be an offence to be considered for a RC
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Interesting comparison, esp as I didn't realise the Top 14 had rolling subs!
Should rugby take the road less travelled?
The season denouements threw up a plethora of rugby styles and stories - but which will prevail in the months ahead?
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neither did i, thats mad as seems like a really big change going to the international game
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Interesting comparison, esp as I didn't realise the Top 14 had rolling subs!
Should rugby take the road less travelled?
The season denouements threw up a plethora of rugby styles and stories - but which will prevail in the months ahead?
The game is fucked if that becomes standard
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I am pleased to see Conrad Smith and I are on same page!
I agree wholeheartedly and main reason you will never find a post on here or any rugby site blaming refs or indeed getting at them in anyway,Conrad Smith calls for 'absolute respect' for referees after 'vile' World Cup abuse
Conrad Smith is demanding zero tolerance towards any abuse of referees as New Zealand returns to the Test arena for the first time since losing the World Cup final.
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@MiketheSnow Haha...it's already fucked...RL tried this, and got rid of it years ago. Only benefits the FBs.
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Good article on Ethan De Groot from the Daily Telegraph and the England series. Makes some interesting observations on cards.
"Twenty-minute red cards are a step in the right direction. I think a lot of the common sense has gone from the game a wee bit,” De Groot says. “You see guys get tapped in the head, rolling around, then there’s a yellow card and they get up and carry on. If they get up and complain about a head knock, they should get off for a head injury assessment."
“If I were to bring a ruling in, it would be to get rid of cards completely and deal with any incident after the game. At Test level, you can see what a red card does – it ruins the game, especially if it’s early. It’s a tough one."
“We have the 20-minute red cards, which have been better. I reckon they’re a step in the right direction for Test rugby. Anything really grubby could be a full sending off, but one inch this way or that is either a red or nothing. It’s tough with falling players. The game is quick.”
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Good article on Ethan De Groot from the Daily Telegraph and the England series. Makes some interesting observations on cards.
"Twenty-minute red cards are a step in the right direction. I think a lot of the common sense has gone from the game a wee bit,” De Groot says. “You see guys get tapped in the head, rolling around, then there’s a yellow card and they get up and carry on. If they get up and complain about a head knock, they should get off for a head injury assessment."
“If I were to bring a ruling in, it would be to get rid of cards completely and deal with any incident after the game. At Test level, you can see what a red card does – it ruins the game, especially if it’s early. It’s a tough one."
“We have the 20-minute red cards, which have been better. I reckon they’re a step in the right direction for Test rugby. Anything really grubby could be a full sending off, but one inch this way or that is either a red or nothing. It’s tough with falling players. The game is quick.”
Please no, or we go the way of football
Censure after you've triumphed because of transgressions isn't fair on the team which was beaten
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Good article on Ethan De Groot from the Daily Telegraph and the England series. Makes some interesting observations on cards.
"Twenty-minute red cards are a step in the right direction. I think a lot of the common sense has gone from the game a wee bit,” De Groot says. “You see guys get tapped in the head, rolling around, then there’s a yellow card and they get up and carry on. If they get up and complain about a head knock, they should get off for a head injury assessment."
“If I were to bring a ruling in, it would be to get rid of cards completely and deal with any incident after the game. At Test level, you can see what a red card does – it ruins the game, especially if it’s early. It’s a tough one."
“We have the 20-minute red cards, which have been better. I reckon they’re a step in the right direction for Test rugby. Anything really grubby could be a full sending off, but one inch this way or that is either a red or nothing. It’s tough with falling players. The game is quick.”
Please no, or we go the way of football
Censure after you've triumphed because of transgressions isn't fair on the team which was beaten
The first paragraph suggests we've already gone the way with football, I don't agree with the just going to cards, but surely De Groots third suggestion of the 20 minute red cards (which we have down here) which is still a huge censure on the opposition team would be a viable option even to you NHers?
Cards are ruining the game, not in and of themselves but because of the interpretation of them which can often be baffling and guesswork. The 20 minute red card minimises their impact while still punishing the offender and their team.
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I wonder what would happen if rather than cards it was automatic points. 3 for a yellow, 7 for a red. No body leaves the field. Plus the penalty - so potentially 6/10 points or 3/7 and a good scoring opportunity.
I keep going back to what we're trying to achieve, and that's to make players more careful with how they tackle to try to reduce head impacts and ultimately CTE. Card's don't seem to be working though, and I think part of it is there's a deep seat instinct in rugby players to give up penalties rather than points.
Honestly, I don't think it's a good idea - a red card is bad, but imagine giving up a red card in the final minutes, then a try from the resulting lineout, to turn a safe 13 point margin into a 1 point loss. But I think it would be interesting to see if it was more effective at changing player behaviour, maybe in a try in the NPC or similar level competition.
