The Current State of Rugby
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interestingly, speeding the ruck up properly made the box kick so much harder to execute as players were able to charge it down as the guards weren't in place and the scrum half didn't have as much room at the back of ruck. As people have suggested previously, if this was enforced in every game, rather than just on a Pearce whim then the box kick would become a genuine skill again
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crazy-Horse said in The Current State of Rugby:
Five cards and counting in the one and half games I have watched today. There has got to be a better way. Who wants to watch games like these?
I'm still watching
I've really cut back my watching and attending games
Genuinely mate, is that just an age thing? I must admit I pretty well a tragic and even if things happen, laws change I watch and attend game all the time. The only change I have found , I don't watch as many games between Aus teams, since I been home , I find time not that flash and as knocking firmly on door of 70th birtday (couple of months) I find it slightly harder to be keen on staying up!!
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@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
Genuinely mate, is that just an age thing?
nah I don't think so.
Both generations of watchers above and below me have pulled back as well - up to this year it just hasn't been a good product. The constant TMO and cards have done my nut - Rugby has been keener to get people off the field than keep them on. And watching 14 v 15 isn't usually a good competition.
The issue with cards at will is not the cards, but the non-cards. You see so much let go that makes you scratch your head - both with head highs, cleanouts and penalties in the 22. The inconsistency from week to week and inside games pisses me off. So I don't watch as much.
For an example, check out the RWC final right. Head contacts get RC or YC - and it fundamentally shifts who wins that game.
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club rugby has started again so all good with the world, we yelled and screamed at the ref...we bemoaned lost opportunities due to skill level...but end the end got to spend the day standing in the sun with mates and then had a few beers with the guys we were calling names not long before
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More good news IMO
Rugby: World Rugby announces law changes designed to increase entertainment value | Newshub
It will also trial 20-minute sanctions for red cards and a shot clock for scrums and lineouts, as per Super Rugby Pacific.
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Not sure about this one
"the ability to mark the ball inside the 22 from a restart"
Makes the game less of a contest IMHO.
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I think the aim is to make long kickoffs less attractive. In theory that should encourage shorter contestable kickoffs
Not sure if it will work
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So you can’t call a scrum from a free kick. So if you have a piss weak scrum, just pre-engage early and the opposition can’t call for another scrum from the free kick?
Obviously goes to penalties If you keep doing that, but surely there are all sorts of unintended consequences for a change like that
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
More good news IMO
Rugby: World Rugby announces law changes designed to increase entertainment value | Newshub
It will also trial 20-minute sanctions for red cards and a shot clock for scrums and lineouts, as per Super Rugby Pacific.
I applaud the intention, but there's a risk it'll make the laws even more complex and difficult to ref/follow.
EDIT: Just read the corporate wank:
the governing body also announced their plan “seeks to increase rugby’s accessibility and relevance among a broader, younger fanbase by embracing on-field innovation and reimagined presentation of the sport with compelling storytelling”
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@KiwiMurph said in TRC U20 - NZ v Australia:
@antipodean said in TRC U20 - NZ v Australia:
I just turned it off if that's worthy of a YC.
Dramatic much.
Possibly - depends on your POV. After the RWC final I've just got utterly sick of cards being handed out like confetti. And I'm not excited by the prospect of a team overcoming the disadvantage. It doesn't add to the spectacle for me.
If you don't jump that's what happens.
I know that but I don't agree. It makes no sense to me that a player in a position to make a legal catch is penalised because an opposing player thinks he's Baryshnikov. At no point did the sent off player tackle the player in the air and in mind it raises the following questions:
- Just how far off the ground do you need to be to alleviate the risk some officious clown decides to make himself the centre of attention?
- How long do you need to be stationary before the player charging at you is the one penalised. A split second?
The game isn't better for these interjections. But we see above WR is congratulating itself for trialling shot clocks.
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NH scribes getting it. Very interesting point about the damage from hundreds of minor impacts versus the obvious big ones that get carded
Another final tarnished as Obano’s red card a blight on rugby’s integrity | Michael Aylwin
Northampton suffer as much in the reckoning as question marks will linger over whether they would have won with numbers even
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
NH scribes getting it. Very interesting point about the damage from hundreds of minor impacts versus the obvious big ones that get carded
Another final tarnished as Obano’s red card a blight on rugby’s integrity | Michael Aylwin
Northampton suffer as much in the reckoning as question marks will linger over whether they would have won with numbers even
Agree that RCs should be reserved for acts of foul play, and clear cut recklessness. Anything that needs to be looked at over and over again in slo mo should not be an offence to be considered for a RC
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Interesting comparison, esp as I didn't realise the Top 14 had rolling subs!
Should rugby take the road less travelled?
The season denouements threw up a plethora of rugby styles and stories - but which will prevail in the months ahead?
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neither did i, thats mad as seems like a really big change going to the international game
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Interesting comparison, esp as I didn't realise the Top 14 had rolling subs!
Should rugby take the road less travelled?
The season denouements threw up a plethora of rugby styles and stories - but which will prevail in the months ahead?
The game is fucked if that becomes standard
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I am pleased to see Conrad Smith and I are on same page!
I agree wholeheartedly and main reason you will never find a post on here or any rugby site blaming refs or indeed getting at them in anyway,Conrad Smith calls for 'absolute respect' for referees after 'vile' World Cup abuse
Conrad Smith is demanding zero tolerance towards any abuse of referees as New Zealand returns to the Test arena for the first time since losing the World Cup final.
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@MiketheSnow Haha...it's already fucked...RL tried this, and got rid of it years ago. Only benefits the FBs.
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Good article on Ethan De Groot from the Daily Telegraph and the England series. Makes some interesting observations on cards.
"Twenty-minute red cards are a step in the right direction. I think a lot of the common sense has gone from the game a wee bit,” De Groot says. “You see guys get tapped in the head, rolling around, then there’s a yellow card and they get up and carry on. If they get up and complain about a head knock, they should get off for a head injury assessment."
“If I were to bring a ruling in, it would be to get rid of cards completely and deal with any incident after the game. At Test level, you can see what a red card does – it ruins the game, especially if it’s early. It’s a tough one."
“We have the 20-minute red cards, which have been better. I reckon they’re a step in the right direction for Test rugby. Anything really grubby could be a full sending off, but one inch this way or that is either a red or nothing. It’s tough with falling players. The game is quick.”
