All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Ireland tonight reminded me of a team I used to know.
Stoked for them
Completely destroyed us
Reiko Ionie is a poke centre.
Hardout, we used to do what Ireland did to us. We'd be the better team overall and would weather the storm (e.g. our 3rd quarter) then would pull away and win comfortably.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
Well something needs to change drastically.
The same pattern over and over again. Get a good win and see progress, play completely crap and lose badly. Then in the 3rd Test reverse the order for the 1st & second halves and lose again.
It's the complete lack of acknowledgement that serious changes are needed, from NZR down to the water-carriers, I find so infuriating
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Razor will sort that out.
Changing culture doesn't come from the top - it has to come from the players themselves.
It does when they are dropped.
Just dropping players won't improve the culture - unless you want one of fear which never works.
You are massively underestimating the influence the coach has on the culture. A new leader in any organisation can have a huge effect on employees with the right leadership. It's just abundantly clear Foster doesn't foster a culture of excellence (sorry had to with the pun)
Not really. He can lead and identify the change needed, but that will only work if the players are on board so the culture change comes from the bottom up.
Threatening players with being dropped if they don't conform (which @Frank suggested) almost always has the opposite effect.
We had the same problems since the end of Hansen’s tenure. We are not winning rucks, collisions, like we used too, we kick the ball away like we do, and we have players whose error rate for test rugby is too high.
I'd argue that started during Hansen's reign. I'd also argue that Foster isn't the man to fix it.
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One thing that has really frustrated me is when people say that a particularly coach hasn't got international experience.
Great coaches are just great. People follow.We need detailed planning and organization. Our players are ok
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Razor will sort that out.
Changing culture doesn't come from the top - it has to come from the players themselves.
It does when they are dropped.
Just dropping players won't improve the culture - unless you want one of fear which never works.
You are massively underestimating the influence the coach has on the culture. A new leader in any organisation can have a huge effect on employees with the right leadership. It's just abundantly clear Foster doesn't foster a culture of excellence (sorry had to with the pun)
Not really. He can lead and identify the change needed, but that will only work if the players are on board so the culture change comes from the bottom up.
Threatening players with being dropped if they don't conform (which @Frank suggested) almost always has the opposite effect.
We had the same problems since the end of Hansen’s tenure. We are not winning rucks, collisions, like we used too, we kick the ball away like we do, and we have players whose error rate for test rugby is too high.
I'd argue that started during Hansen's reign. I'd also argue that Foster isn't the man to fix it.
Agree.
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I feel for the ABs social media person...
I mean they really want to post is 'embarrassment'
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Lowe just gave his shorts to a female Irish fan lol
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Damo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Damo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I turned the TV off. For those still watching - can anyone tell me if Foster has done the decent thing and resigned yet?
Not interviewed yet.
First question at the press conference is surely
"Just a question around timing. Will you resign now or are you going to give it a few days and resign next week".
He'll never resign, it'll all be about learnings, and excitement, and how much Ireland have improved
Ireland have improved. NZ haven't. One of those things is in Foster's control. ☺️
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
No, he can keep the title. Just don't let him near the team.
Like Test 1, right?
Foster not involved in week before test. 1 from 1.
Foster involved in week before test. 0 from 2.
Can he just coach via zoom? 🤣
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Reado says we looked like strangers. Goldie names the coaches as culpable. This is truth
When former players (and your previous captain), great players, start going for you, you must know your time is up.
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Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Reado says we looked like strangers. Goldie names the coaches as culpable. This is truth
When former players (and your previous captain), great players, start going for you, you must know your time is up.
And he was trying hard not to say bad stuff. The pressure on the NZRFU and Fozz will be immense.
