Super Rugby 2023
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all fair points that make sense, to me just seem like such minors things, you can quickly dry the ball the try was scored with (i know not as much as one thats been on the sideline), both teams also have that ability so its still fair, so to create a law in response to rare instances of minor advantage seems very reactionary, id rather world rugby just stood strong..."those are the rules" rather than tweaking things when people complained someone had an advantage....yes, that dry ball was a very slight advantage in that moment...thats the game, we give the attacking team all kinds of advantages and protections
and re team gaming things....if you can prove it on camera for example, fine and ban them later rather than changing the on field rules to effect off field activities
as i say, happy to acknowledge thats just me
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I don't think any of this is changing rules. Just enforcing them.
Currently the law is 90 secs from awarding try. That covers many scenarios without having to make allowances/judgements by the ref.
Here's a very real and regular scenario.
Kicker either scores try or is caught up in scoring 'pile'. Ref awards try. 10 seconds disappears while kicker extricates themselves from pile and then more time while he walks back to mark and tee/ball arrive (tee possibly from far side of field). Catch breath and there is 60 secs left to go through routine and kick ball. None of that is time wasting and ball probably kicked with 15 secs to spare.
Now if you made it 60 secs from awarding try it is quite likely that the kicker has a very hurried routine that saves everyone 15 secs.I am as anti time wasting as anyone but I don't see that there is anything to be gained by 60 second kicks if measured from award of try unless the awarding was due to TMO.
It is far better than 60 secs from tee arriving which leaves a long gap of potential mucking around and no urgency from tee carrier, ref or player. This law puts the onus on players to get on with the game as should be the case.
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@Daffy-Jaffy Are the 3 early games all women's and the 6pm game men?
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They've done well with organising the round 1 matchups this year.
Crusaders-Chiefs should be a cracker
Tahs-Brumbies supposedly expecting a crowd of 30k+ at the rennovated SFS
Highlanders-Blues during O Week should see the Zoo pumping.
Be interesting what sort of crowd the Reds-Canes will get up in Townsville.
A good way to kick off the comp.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Be interesting what sort of crowd the Reds-Canes will get up in Townsville.
It takes a special lack of intellect to schedule a rugby game in Townsville this time of year.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Be interesting what sort of crowd the Reds-Canes will get up in Townsville.
It takes a special lack of intellect to schedule a rugby game in Townsville this time of year.
I think the Canes will be picking the most mobile pack they can in what will sure to be a hot affair up there.
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Three players to watch.
Im keen to have a good look at Fabian Holland. After all the hype
And to see how Love develops if he gets game time at FB. And maybe a run at 1st at times. But he would need a big improvement to his previous starts at first in super rugby. Although he was too young then and not really suited to first but Canes at not strong in this position. Ever since Barrett left. And Cameron starts the year injured so still not strong with only an up and down Morgan and a new player (Godfrey)
Super Rugby never fails to deliver in promoting young talent. Who's a player you have tabbed to make a move in '23?
Hinton: There’s something about Blues flanker Anton Segner that exudes top-end class. He will have to be patient around opportunities in a loose trio with three All Blacks, but this is a kid with all the tools, and set to be an important figure over the next cycle. Watch him come of age.
Cully: Highlanders lock Fabian Holland, although the All Blacks won't get their hands on the 20-year-old Dutchman until ‘25. Holland is out early with a knee injury, but when fit he'll be in the Highlanders' 23. He's big, mobile, learns quickly and competes hard for every inch on either side of the ball.
Knowler: Ruben Love will be worth watching. Injury will delay his start with the Hurricanes, but if the fullback/first-five builds on his performances with Wellington in the NPC last year, and later the All Blacks XV up north, you can expect him to feature in punters’ conversations.
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Couple of players I think will be hitting their straps AND get enough game time to show the goods are Stevenson and ENS.
Both had it rough selection wise last year but then SS fired for the rep end of the year. ENS looks to have grown into himself and may just show what he is capable of.Edit: add Aumua to that list. A good season and he gets to go to the RWC.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
Couple of players I think will be hitting their straps AND get enough game time to show the goods are Stevenson and ENS.
Both had it rough selection wise last year but then SS fired for the rep end of the year. ENS looks to have grown into himself and may just show what he is capable of.Edit: add Aumua to that list. A good season and he gets to go to the RWC.
Aumua is about the only other Canes forward who might make it (but he will replace another 1 in Coles). Lakai for the future but a year too early for him.
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@Winger said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
Couple of players I think will be hitting their straps AND get enough game time to show the goods are Stevenson and ENS.
Both had it rough selection wise last year but then SS fired for the rep end of the year. ENS looks to have grown into himself and may just show what he is capable of.Edit: add Aumua to that list. A good season and he gets to go to the RWC.
Aumua is about the only other Canes forward who might make it (but he will replace another 1 in Coles). Lakai for the future but a year too early for him.
Couple of years too early probably. Let him learn some lessons first. Talent/skills might be there but knowledge and experience play a big part.
Hinton mentions Segner. Has anyone here seen him IRL? He just looks really lightweight on TV.
Don't forget Blsckadder and Grace coming back into the picture as well.
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@Winger said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
Don't forget Blsckadder and Grace coming back into the picture as well.
Maybe they were just looking at new ABs.
Nah. It was players to watch at super level.
No way that Love, Segner and Holland are ABs soon.My AB 'bolter' for the year is Stevenson. Admittedly it may be a decision that comes forced by injury or illness but I see a good chance in that a happening.
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The ABs squad will be smaller for the RWC, so players will drop out, rather than players being added. So if you're considering a bolter, it has to be because a player drops out for whatever reason.
Player to watch and possible ABs bolter for me is Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, but that would probably be to replace Sotutu in that backrow, or heaven forbid, an injured Ardie Savea. I think they'll then go for Cullen Grace, but I'd like to think they'll at least consider MMT.
If he has a good season, Blackadder will almost certainly push out one of the loosies. That could be Frizell, because he's leaving NZ, or A Ioane who has been disappointing. Blackadder - with his added versatility - is definitely one to watch.
The figt for the LH spots will also be interesting, with Moody returning.
I can't see much changing in the backline, except RTS dropping out of the squad (Goodhue coming in), and possibly Dmac replacing Perofeta.
The figt will be for a spot on the wing, I think. Clarke needs to step up (but seems undroppable for some reason), but it will probably be between Sevu Reece and Mark Telea. If you want Stevenson to get in, he'll be up against Dmac. Can't see Stevenson winning that. He maybe has a chance if Jordan keeps struggling with his health. -
If Grace is getting a mention Gardiner should be in the conversation too. That kid looked the goods at the end of last season. Needs to show he can back it up this year.
