RWC 2023
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Fielding the guy wasn't to gain advantage. He was a second half replacement in walkover games. Bit different to helping win a playoff.
Guessing that the inquiry is to check who knew what and when. Deliberate breach by the union will mean disqualification. Him keeping quiet and them not asking through incompetence may be a smack on the hand.
Massively unfair on the rest of the team if they are kicked out through a genuine error
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@crucial I gree that it is a harsh penalty on the rest of the team, similar to a relay team getting disqualified because one of the tests positive for illegal steroids but breaking the law is still breaking the law whether intentionally or not. Just like getting a speeding ticket for exceeding 50pmph after turning into a 50 kmph zone from a 100kphm zone and there being no sign to indicate the change.
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@higgins said in RWC 2023 draw:
@crucial I gree that it is a harsh penalty on the rest of the team, similar to a relay team getting disqualified because one of the tests positive for illegal steroids but breaking the law is still breaking the law whether intentionally or not. Just like getting a speeding ticket for exceeding 50pmph after turning into a 50 kmph zone from a 100kphm zone and there being no sign to indicate the change.
Bit of a strange analogy. You are right that a broken law is a broken law but the penalty is not always the same. Circumstances are taken into account.
Does the punishment to the union need to go so far as to punish the innocent players?
If it was deliberate by the union then OK. They will benefit and may feel it was worth it. They will have to answer to the other players and likely heads will roll because of it.
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@crucial You may be a little naive in how you are considering this one. Romania was disqualified from RWC for a similar thing, when the Tongan RFU was allegedly in error regarding an eligibility request. I believe Spain had penalties and warnings given too at the time, and is alleged to have transgressed rules for a few players before and after. You may or may not enjoy several years of bitter debate on the topic. https://t2rugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2784&start=1525
Per Wikipedia: In March, Romania initially qualified to take the spot as Europe 1.[15] But after complaints from the Spanish into an investigation of ineligible players, it was deemed that Romania, Spain and Belgium all broke the eligibility rules and was deducted points which meant Russia qualified through to the World Cup while Germany headed to the play-off against Samoa.[16] In August, Namibia became the final team to qualify from the continental tournaments after defeating Kenya in the final round of the Rugby Africa Gold Cup.[17] The final spot was decided by a repechage tournament in Marseille in November 2018, which was won by Canada after winning all three of their games.[18]
The European politics are horrible. But World Rugby is in a bit of a spot based on the precedent they set. It will be interesting to see how this is resolved. They may cancel all points earned for matches Van den Berg was in the squad, and recalculate the finishing order for RWC qualification, like they did last time. The win over Netherlands was a bonus point victory I believe...
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@booboo said in France 2023:
Seems like the right thread.
Spain fuck up eligibility by playing an unqualified Saffa. Romania in.
Twitter thread:
Do we think a big name country would get kicked out of RWC for such a thing “hosts France have been kicked out for fielding an ineligible player”
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@Billy-Tell said in France 2023:
@booboo said in France 2023:
Seems like the right thread.
Spain fuck up eligibility by playing an unqualified Saffa. Romania in.
Twitter thread:
Do we think a big name country would get kicked out of RWC for such a thing “hosts France have been kicked out for fielding an ineligible player”
You'd hope they would.
But they would have to have played said player in the given comp they are kicked out of, and as they don't play qualifiers...
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@Billy-Tell said in France 2023:
Do we think a big name country would get kicked out of RWC for such a thing “hosts France have been kicked out for fielding an ineligible player”
Spain was deducted 40 points for fielding ineligible players 8 times during the qualification process for RWC 2019, so they haven't exactly learnt from their previous "mistake".
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@Billy-Tell said in France 2023:
@booboo said in France 2023:
Seems like the right thread.
Spain fuck up eligibility by playing an unqualified Saffa. Romania in.
Twitter thread:
Do we think a big name country would get kicked out of RWC for such a thing “hosts France have been kicked out for fielding an ineligible player”
Well, it couldn't happen with Brad Shields - he's as English as Fish and Chips
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@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
I was at the RWC2007 Quarter Final. Seems to have dulled my appetite for attending RWC games somehow..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC 2023:
@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
I was at the RWC2007 Quarter Final. Seems to have dulled my appetite for attending RWC games somehow..
Wait, there was a RWC in 2007?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC 2023:
@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
I was at the RWC2007 Quarter Final. Seems to have dulled my appetite for attending RWC games somehow..
Wait, there was a RWC in 2007?
Nup
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC 2023:
@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
I was at the RWC2007 Quarter Final. Seems to have dulled my appetite for attending RWC games somehow..
Wait, there was a RWC in 2007?
I hope so. Otherwise all those recurring nightmares will have been for nothing.
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@Machpants There seems to be some bold assumptions in the 10mins I watched. Some corrections: Eddie Jones did not invent quick ruck ball. What he did at Brumbies (apart from inherit Rod Macqueen's team) was play a consistent recycling game and a matrix approach to the field. That is, if the team was in a certain part of the field they'd do "x". Another part they would do "y".
I'm also not sold on the notion playing Italy is a sign of deliberately different shapes on attack as players beat woeful Italian defenders. Quite frankly that comes across as laughable analysis. More likely as the England players beat their opposites, their teammates were caught transitioning it to the phase.
I could be wrong, let's see when they tour here.
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Rugby World Cup 2023 Asia/Pacific Play off
Saturday 23 July 2022
Tonga v Asia 1
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@Machpants I saw this a few days ago and found
it unconvincing. Eddie Jones invented quick ball -WTF? England have had big problems in the past couple of years with Eddie Jones's blunt man mangement creating waves and since John Mitchell left with the defense.I'm not ruling England out for the RWC, although for reasons that video missed. They are a wealthy union with quality players and a mentality that suits knockout rugby.
Tonga’s journey to Rugby World Cup 2023 to continue at Sunshine Coast Stadium
