RWC 2023
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I know it's three years away and a lot could change (pfft), but the pools seems strangely familiar. If the Wallabies can't make a semi-final with their draw, they shouldn't go. Althought I could be wrong as I'm assured "There is no easy pool". Perhaps they're referring to the tier two participants.
But the good news is World Rugby have set their sights high:
Bill Beaumont anticipates transformational Rugby World Cup 2023 in France
World Rugby Chairman Sir Bill Beaumont believes that Rugby World Cup 2023 will play a transformational role for rugby on and off the field as a vehicle for raising and tackling environmental issues, tackling discrimination, providing opportunities for young people and delivering the economic stimulus for rugby and France in post-pandemic recovery. -
@antipodean said in France 2023:
I know it's three years away and a lot could change (pfft), but the pools seems strangely familiar. If the Wallabies can't make a semi-final with their draw, they shouldn't go. Althought I could be wrong as I'm assured "There is no easy pool". Perhaps they're referring to the tier two participants.
But the good news is World Rugby have set their sights high:
Bill Beaumont anticipates transformational Rugby World Cup 2023 in France
World Rugby Chairman Sir Bill Beaumont believes that Rugby World Cup 2023 will play a transformational role for rugby on and off the field as a vehicle for raising and tackling environmental issues, tackling discrimination, providing opportunities for young people and delivering the economic stimulus for rugby and France in post-pandemic recovery.He missed it will cure cancer
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@mofitzy_ said in France 2023:
England have a dream run into the semis.
I’ve heard that one before....
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@mofitzy_ said in France 2023:
England have a dream run into the semis.
I have serious doubts of England's ability to beat Australia/Wales after taking Japan, Argentina and Samoa's (presumably) best shot in pool play.
I think Wales/Australia have the plumb draw zero real threat of not making it out of the pool and a potential Japan QF. Dream scenario.
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@rotated said in France 2023:
@mofitzy_ said in France 2023:
England have a dream run into the semis.
I have serious doubts of England's ability to beat Australia/Wales after taking Japan, Argentina and Samoa's (presumably) best shot in pool play.
I think Wales/Australia have the plumb draw zero real threat of not making it out of the pool and a potential Japan QF. Dream scenario.
Fiji have every chance of tipping on of these two over in the world cup. They are definately the next Japan.
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@MajorRage said in France 2023:
@rotated said in France 2023:
@mofitzy_ said in France 2023:
England have a dream run into the semis.
I have serious doubts of England's ability to beat Australia/Wales after taking Japan, Argentina and Samoa's (presumably) best shot in pool play.
I think Wales/Australia have the plumb draw zero real threat of not making it out of the pool and a potential Japan QF. Dream scenario.
Fiji have every chance of tipping on of these two over in the world cup. They are definately the next Japan.
Time will tell.
2007 still smarts
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@MajorRage said in France 2023:
Fiji have every chance of tipping on of these two over in the world cup. They are definately the next Japan.
Maybe, I just don't see Rennie or Pivac having a side that unprepared or vulnerable.
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Increased rest days confirmed for Rugby World Cup 2023
Rugby World Cup 2023 in France will feature increased rest periods for all teams after the Rugby World Cup Board, the World Rugby Executive Committee, the France 2023 organising committee and International Rugby Players agreed a ground-breaking package of player welfare principles that will underpin a greatly enhanced match schedule when it is announced on Friday 26 February.
With the ambition of making the schedule the best it can be for players, fans, host cities and the host nation, the Rugby World Cup Board and World Rugby Executive Committee have approved a set of key principles for the 10th men’s Rugby World Cup after a thorough review of Rugby World Cup 2019 that delivered best-ever player welfare and competitiveness outcomes in the modern era, including:
- All teams will have a minimum of five rest days for all matches, optimising recovery and preparation for the tournament
- The pool phase will be extended by a week to accommodate the additional rest day requirement and will now kick off on 8 September and conclude with the final on 28 October
- Permitted squad sizes will be increased by two from 31 to 33 players, aiding squad management
- Overall travel volume and time will be minimised for teams in tournament
- World Rugby is committed to comprehensive level of player welfare and medical standards, focusing on overall player load reduction
For the first time in modern Rugby World Cup history, no team will have a rest period of less than five days, optimising recovery and preparation, while World Rugby also aims to deliver the most balanced schedule to date in terms of overall rest periods, particularly for emerging nations. The full match schedule will be announced at the end of the month.
The international federation will also continue to consult with the global players’ body and national unions to ensure optimal training load guidance is followed as part of the tournament’s comprehensive player welfare standards programme.
As an added benefit the schedule will provide a boost to the host nation, through an additional week of rugby fan attendance. This will drive increased tourism, hospitality spending and an overall economic stimulus, while social engagement and legacy programmes will also benefit.
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Looking at Band Four there are spots for Oceania 1 and Asia Pacific 1. Where do Tonga and Samoa sit in these classifications (argument could be made they fit into both) as it would be a shame to lose one or both of them from RWC? Looks like one of them will have to come through the Band 5 Final Qualifier Winner and to me that is too much a risk to take given both are pretty decent at rugby all things considered. To have either missing out to the likes of Cyprus, Germany, Portugal, Uruguay or Korea, for example, would be a great shame.
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@higgins There's a Wikipedia for the 2023 RWC qualifying process.
Oceania Rugby was granted one direct qualification berth, and will be awarded to the winner on aggregate of a Samoa–Tonga home and away play-off (Oceania 1). The loser will play the winner of the 2021 Oceania Rugby Cup to advance as Oceania 2 to a cross-regional play-off against Asia 1.It's also worth noting Samoa had to go through qualifying to make the 2019 RWC - they beat Germany 66-15 and 42-28 across two games. If you can't beat the likes of Korea and Germany you don't deserve to make the RWC.
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@kiwimurph said in RWC 2023 draw:
@higgins There's a Wikipedia for the 2023 RWC qualifying process.
Oceania Rugby was granted one direct qualification berth, and will be awarded to the winner on aggregate of a Samoa–Tonga home and away play-off (Oceania 1). The loser will play the winner of the 2021 Oceania Rugby Cup to advance as Oceania 2 to a cross-regional play-off against Asia 1.It's also worth noting Samoa had to go through qualifying to make the 2019 RWC - they beat Germany 66-15 and 42-28 across two games. If you can't beat the likes of Korea and Germany you don't deserve to make the RWC.
Samoa came last in Oceania.
Played inter-continental Qualifier v Germany.
Even if they had lost that qualifier they would have gone into the 4 team repechage tournament (Germany, Kenya, Hong Kong and Canada).Basically plenty of avenues until they had any jeopardy.
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So only difference is this time Oceania 2 (worst of the PI Big 3) will play Asia in an inter-continental qualifier instead of Europe.
So Hong Kong instead of Germany, based on 2019.
Hong Kong have just cancelled their professionals 15s high performance, due to covid.
Another disappointingly dull and safe qualification process for Oceania, IMO. They need some risk.
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@rapido said in RWC 2023 draw:
So only difference is this time Oceania 2 (worst of the PI Big 3) will play Asia in an inter-continental qualifier instead of Europe.
So Hong Kong instead of Germany, based on 2019.
Hong Kong have just cancelled their professionals 15s high performance, due to covid.
Another disappointingly dull and safe qualification process for Oceania, IMO. They need some risk.
Let's not put the cart before the horse - they need to beat Papua New Guinea first.
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@kruse said in RWC 2023 draw:
@rapido said in RWC 2023 draw:
So only difference is this time Oceania 2 (worst of the PI Big 3) will play Asia in an inter-continental qualifier instead of Europe.
So Hong Kong instead of Germany, based on 2019.
Hong Kong have just cancelled their professionals 15s high performance, due to covid.
Another disappointingly dull and safe qualification process for Oceania, IMO. They need some risk.
Let's not put the cart before the horse - they need to beat Papua New Guinea first.
Do they? They probably don't.
They didn't need to beat Cook Islands (or PNG) last time. PI Big 3 totally totally ringfenced from the other Oceania qualifiers. Cook Islands won Oceania then lost to Hong Kong. for chance at the repechage tournament. The worst a PI Big 3 can do is get knocked out during repechage.Assume still the same, haven't checked.
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I'm wrong.
For 2023.
Oceania:
a home and away play-off between Tonga and Samoa in 2021 will determine the direct qualifier for the Oceania region. – Oceania 1The loser will then play the Oceania Rugby Cup 2021 winner in the highest ranked team’s country with the eventual winner contesting Asia / Pacific (see below) as Oceania 2
2023 Rugby World Cup qualifying - Wikipedia
