Crusaders v Hurricanes
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@foobanz said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@higgins I'm happy to see it. The NZ rugby media is a circlejerk who don't want to hold coaches / players to account. At least the fans can now do it in public.
How often do we get the coaches on the Breakdown and other shows and it's just a bunch of wanky questions or jokes?
Have heard Canes are deleting some of the posts on Insta. Probably get to Facebook next. Sad state of affairs.
They could give the fans a bit more information as to the reasoning though. Not that the coach should pander to the supporters but at least give some reasons so that the judgement is on those and not on something made up or just name calling.
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@foobanz said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@higgins I'm happy to see it. The NZ rugby media is a circlejerk who don't want to hold coaches / players to account. At least the fans can now do it in public.
How often do we get the coaches on the Breakdown and other shows and it's just a bunch of wanky questions or jokes?
Have heard Canes are deleting some of the posts on Insta. Probably get to Facebook next. Sad state of affairs.
They could give the fans a bit more information as to the reasoning though. Not that the coach should pander to the supporters but at least give some reasons so that the judgement is on those and not on something made up or just name calling.
Why not, many of us have seen thousands more games than a lot of those highly paid professionals and we also do not need to refer to a computer to evaluate a players performance after or during a match, Nor are we incapable of twigging whether game plans are working or not and we know what changes or variations are needed to overcome opposition game plans. And all that whilst sitting there watching the proceedings with our own eye and without the help of a coaches box full of supposedly helpful and well paid advisors, be they human or robotic computers.
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@darren said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@nzbloke said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@chris said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@mikey07 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@chris Wow I don’t think there’s enough ABs in that team as much as I bleed yellow and black I have no faith in the Hollandgoround and his selections Saders by at least 12.
It will be interesting who gets selected for the Canes, put the best team on the park and its a real fight.
But Holland leaves half your better players in the stand at times.Hopefully even that moron Holland will select our best 15 available for this one - crucial we start winning some matches in a row too, will be embarrassing if we miss out on the top 8 in the play-offs.
I really don't think he has any clue what our best 15 is.
Yeah, he's really clueless, if the players know Holland is going to coach the Canes next season reckon a fair few of them will leave at the end of this years comp... a coach has to earn the respect of the players, can't see any of the players having much respect for him.
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@nzbloke said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@darren said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@nzbloke said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@chris said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@mikey07 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@chris Wow I don’t think there’s enough ABs in that team as much as I bleed yellow and black I have no faith in the Hollandgoround and his selections Saders by at least 12.
It will be interesting who gets selected for the Canes, put the best team on the park and its a real fight.
But Holland leaves half your better players in the stand at times.Hopefully even that moron Holland will select our best 15 available for this one - crucial we start winning some matches in a row too, will be embarrassing if we miss out on the top 8 in the play-offs.
I really don't think he has any clue what our best 15 is.
Yeah, he's really clueless, if the players know Holland is going to coach the Canes next season reckon a fair few of them will leave at the end of this years comp... a coach has to earn the respect of the players, can't see any of the players having much respect for him.
Well I can, J. Garden-Bachop, R. Prinsep, A. Fidow, B. Proctor, J. Blackwell, B. Gibson, D. Bird, T. Lomax would be on the Board of Directors of the Jason Holland Appreciation Society. I am unsure about which side of the fence P. Patafilo sits as he never actually plays.
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I think most Canes (and NZ rugby fans) like JB at 12.
But what irks Canes fans is that Holland took 5 games to decide this, and he has dropped (completely out of the 23) a really good 12 to allow for it.
We also don't have a 15 other than JB of any real quality where as PUJ is an excellent 12. So PUJ at 12 and JB at 15 is better based on the current Canes squad.
If JB has to be at 12, then at least put PUJ at 13.
Hopefully Moorby goes okay at 15 as Love ain't good there. Needs to be at 10.
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@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Good to see Barrett get another crack at 12. Say what you like about Holland but he's the first coach to select Barrett in what I believe is his best position since he debuted in the NPC for Canterbury. I've been suggesting this for years.
I wouldn't give Holland credit in this regard. He has put Jordie there as about 7th or 8th attempt from his squad. FFS he even played Julian Savea there before him.
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@foobanz said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
I think most Canes (and NZ rugby fans) like JB at 12.
But what irks Canes fans is that Holland took 5 games to decide this, and he has dropped (completely out of the 23) a really good 12 to allow for it.
We also don't have a 15 other than JB of any real quality where as PUJ is an excellent 12. So PUJ at 12 and JB at 15 is better based on the current Canes squad.
If JB has to be at 12, then at least put PUJ at 13.
Hopefully Moorby goes okay at 15 as Love ain't good there. Needs to be at 10.
Yep. From a non Canes pov seeing how JB goes at 12 is a bonus. Judging him based on school rugby and a handful of NPC games in a weak comp is hardly a good indicator. Ardie was a great 12 at school.
If he doesn't set the world on fire there and plays out the season at 12 how does that work for the ABs? I'd then be tempted to play Jordan with JB on the bench.From a Canes pov it should be about balancing and best use of resources. I also have a concern about JBs 'rugby smarts'. He's never come across as the smartest bloke on the paddock.
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@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Good to see Barrett get another crack at 12. Say what you like about Holland but he's the first coach to select Barrett in what I believe is his best position since he debuted in the NPC for Canterbury. I've been suggesting this for years.
It is noted that it has taken him a season and a half to do so.
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@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Good to see Barrett get another crack at 12. Say what you like about Holland but he's the first coach to select Barrett in what I believe is his best position since he debuted in the NPC for Canterbury. I've been suggesting this for years.
Holland started Jordie at 12 in 2019 for a game too. Obviously Laumape was around but I think they could have given Jordie more opportunities at 12 over the years.
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@tim Interesting question. What is the reasoning?
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@old-samurai-jack Getting low enough for head on tackles. Could put at risk of penalty/card for a high shot.
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@tim said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Anyone worry that Barrett's height might be a defensive disadvantage at 12?
Interesting point with the lower tackle height requirements.
He's the height of a lock and they dont have issues close in. In the open it hasnt been an issue either but yeah, at 12 there are sometimes those middle ground issues of wanting to wrap the ball up but having less time to adjust.
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@tim said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Anyone worry that Barrett's height might be a defensive disadvantage at 12?
Dunno perhaps ask Josh Ioane how his rubs are, and how high they are.
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Good to see Barrett get another crack at 12. Say what you like about Holland but he's the first coach to select Barrett in what I believe is his best position since he debuted in the NPC for Canterbury. I've been suggesting this for years.
I wouldn't give Holland credit in this regard. He has put Jordie there as about 7th or 8th attempt from his squad. FFS he even played Julian Savea there before him.
Reckon it's much more about J.Barrett wanting to play at 12, rather than Holland wanting him to play there.
