Crusaders v Highlanders
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
Part of the 13s job is to organise the defence. Especially the midfield defence.
Things have changed from my day then when it was the 12's responsibility - defending is hard enough at 13 without having to worry about turning inside to tell them what to do, that wouldn't make much sense. 12 should be leading and be the voice.
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@chris said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@stargazer said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
Blackadder was the standout Crusader to me by a country mile.
Yep, he was great. Huge engine that never seems to empty. He just keeps going and going. Love to watch it.
Newell, Havili, Fainga'anuku pretty good, too. The new lock looked handy in the line-out.
Two weeks in a row that the opposition have strolled in for a try through the midfield.
Not so sure that LF is doing such a great job on defenceIt wasn’t his fault last week that was Fihaki,LF was defending at first five as Mounga was on the wing and Fihaki had come into centre.
This week Havilli flew up out left the hole.Hard to defend if you aren’t in position is an alternate view.
Tonight he drifted out too early, last week he moved in to cover a channel covered by the forwards and it meant that three players were defending 30+ metres width.
“From a certain point of view”That is a set defense by the crusaders defending their line.
They move LF to first five Mounga to the wing and bring the wing into centre,
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@chris said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
Part of the 13s job is to organise the defence. Especially the midfield defence.
12s job I played 12 always 12s job as he can defend inside or out.
13 is too far out to defend the inside Channels.Different styles I guess.
10 And 12 connected. 13/15 and wing connected. 12 and 13 work together.Gee. No one told Conrad Smith it wasn’t his job to organize defence.
I don’t know the Crusaders system but something isn’t working right in that area when the same thing happens two weeks in a row.
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@bones said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
No one told Conrad Smith it wasn’t his job to organize defence.
Not sure anyone told him it was either...
Initiative? Either way he was pretty good at it.
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I'm really keen to know what the constant bass pumping at the ground does for the atmosphere? It's annoying on TV, so imagine it wouldn't be great live.
Also, did anyone notice Reece exaggerating getting cleaned out so that he landed on his head/neck? He's a good player, but he makes it hard to like him
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@chris said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
Part of the 13s job is to organise the defence. Especially the midfield defence.
12s job I played 12 always 12s job as he can defend inside or out.
13 is too far out to defend the inside Channels.Different styles I guess.
10 And 12 connected. 13/15 and wing connected. 12 and 13 work together.Gee. No one told Conrad Smith it wasn’t his job to organize defence.
I don’t know the Crusaders system but something isn’t working right in that area when the same thing happens two weeks in a row.
Depends how they set their defensive patterns now .
First fives don’t defend in the inside channels much these days,
LF comes into first five to defend the big munters running the inside channels close to their line.Mounga normal goes to the blindside wing same as the Blues do with BB a lot. -
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@bones said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
No one told Conrad Smith it wasn’t his job to organize defence.
Not sure anyone told him it was either...
Initiative? Either way he was pretty good at it.
Pretty good at organising the outside and spotting when he needed to stick - fella inside him was also pretty good at it eh
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Only got to watch the last 20 minutes... in that time the Highlanders had most of the possession/territory, but lacked the execution & patience to win the match.
From the first video replay it was clearly obvious it was a red card... for the officials to check the replay 3 or 4 times to finally work out it was a red was a joke.
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@nzbloke sure it should have been obvious, but I'd much rather they took thier time and got it right (as they did)
Hopefully with more rugby and disruptions minimal things can start getting.back to normal, I expect this will help the quality of rugby and reffing.
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@nzbloke said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
Only got to watch the last 20 minutes... in that time the Highlanders had most of the possession/territory, but lacked the execution & patience to win the match.
From the first video replay it was clearly obvious it was a red card... for the officials to check the replay 3 or 4 times to finally work out it was a red was a joke.
On one hand we don't like Red Cards but on the other we want them dished out at a glance?
Besides, there is a process to check through for the sanction and you want a guy standing in the middle of the field looking at a big screen to see everything at once?
Needs to look at the arm, check the point of impact, look for dipping/change of direction.
Yes, last night's one did seem one replay too many but he did say he needed the clear shot of point of impact.
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@nepia would you prefer they ruled a red straight away, then slo-mos during the week on here with arrows 'n shit or social showing no actual contact to the head?
For a change I agree with @Crucial in that they have a process to follow, sure on the surface it is clear cut and the end result proves it was as well, but I'd rather a few extra viewings to make sure it was a correct red card than not, and then we have a week or more of bitching about red cards ruining games, or if they dont follow due process, an incident that should be a red card, wasnt, then people bitch about that.
as @nzzp says, its consistency, but such are the rules of the game that consistency of interpretation is an issue.
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@nepia would you prefer they ruled a red straight away, then slo-mos during the week on here with arrows 'n shit or social showing no actual contact to the head?
For a change I agree with @Crucial in that they have a process to follow, sure on the surface it is clear cut and the end result proves it was as well, but I'd rather a few extra viewings to make sure it was a correct red card than not, and then we have a week or more of bitching about red cards ruining games, or if they dont follow due process, an incident that should be a red card, wasnt, then people bitch about that.
as @nzzp says, its consistency, but such are the rules of the game that consistency of interpretation is an issue.
It was at least 4 or 5 looks at that stage and everyone could see the contact to the head. Obviously, I'd rather they get it right but that was a clusterfuck from the moment the ref said play on to the only ruling it was a shot to the head in that final slo-mo.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders:
@nepia sorry, I didn't express myself well.
I don't want as many cards, but if the thresholds are set,I want consistent application.
I can't comment on the red last night, haven't seen it yet as enjoying a weekend at the beach
I didn't have an issue with your comment - I think the quoting may have got muddled. Enjoy the beach, winter has come to Sydney so no beach for me.
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Find it to depressing to go on about the things we got wrong so will try and point out some positives
I thought withy played well, starting in a struggling team v the crusaders, nice to see a local kid come through
And Denny looked real lively, can see him being a real option for the rest of the season, could do some damage against some of the Aussie teams if we get to play them
