Chiefs v Highlanders
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how is this dangerous play but jumping over a group of other players to try and take the ball is fine, more than fine that player is protected under the rules
at least PGS was in possession and so had actual control of the game, someone jumping for a catch is still speculative
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@crucial said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Next it will be illegal to side-step an opponent or jump to avoid being ankle-tapped.
It’s a bizarre ruling. Dangerous play is the same law for head high tackles. If a player sticks their arm out high but the ball carrier dodges the impact it’s just play on. The act is dangerous but nothing happened. Same as this.
Yeah, plus - are we going to start seeing penalties now whenever a player dives for the line/corner for a try?
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@kiwiwomble I guess an issue (someone bought up in the match thread) what if Smith had made solid contact with PGS while he was in the air and PGS ended up landing on his head?
Who gets pinged then, I would put money on AS getting pinged, probably a card.
Sinckler attracting the pen in the Lions by jumping someone sucked too, and he got all uppity and wanted to fight someone over it.
No easy answer really, unless we stop jumping except at lineouts...
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@taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
unless we stop jumping
Good luck defining jumping 😁
I wasn't jumping sir, I just tripped.
Edit: in seriousness though - probably easier to just let players jump into the tackle if they have possession, and let people tackle them however....jump at your own risk.
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@bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@crucial said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Next it will be illegal to side-step an opponent or jump to avoid being ankle-tapped.
It’s a bizarre ruling. Dangerous play is the same law for head high tackles. If a player sticks their arm out high but the ball carrier dodges the impact it’s just play on. The act is dangerous but nothing happened. Same as this.
Yeah, plus - are we going to start seeing penalties now whenever a player dives for the line/corner for a try?
Diving for a try it's covered under the laws, jumping over a tackler has always been a penalty, rightly, from what I've seen. Looks awesome when it works, recipe for disaster if the jumper doesn't make it. It's the right choice, and what most thought was the laws, reading through press. Ref on the day got it wrong, that's why they asked to get it 100% confirmed
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@machpants When does a dive become a jump? If you dive over someone, aren't you just jumping over them head first?
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There’s loads of stuff that is dangerous IF it goes wrong but only WHEN it goes wrong
Running with your elbow out. Not called unless there is contact.
Swinging high arm. Not called unless there is contact.
Even throwing a full blooded punch is waved away unless it connects.
One of the worst is sliding in at try scorers with the knees which is never called unless damage is done.
If you hurdle a tackle and kick the tackler in the head then by all means get a card but the very nature of the act is that it is only ever done when the runner is pretty sure they are going to avoid contact.
Like @taniwharugby says, if Smith had clipped the feet it would have been a nightmare decision. Personally I would have called no fault. PGS jumped into a tackle. -
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@crucial said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Hurdling a tackler is fucken stupid. Should've been called back and penalised.
Explain why and then try and equate your reasoning with other unpenalised acts that are “potentially dangerous “
Yeah, it looked like just a reaction from PGS to me - it's not like he got massive clearance either, Smith was extremely low.
Edit: I mean to say - it's hardly a hurdle.
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@bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@machpants When does a dive become a jump? If you dive over someone, aren't you just jumping over them head first?
Going for the try line is the key part, and grounding the ball. Gus was jumping in the field off play, not diving to ground the ball over the try line.
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In recent years they've been trying to reduce ways players can be tipped on their head and this appears to be an extension of that. It could cause tacklers to hesitate making a tackle in case they put the player running with the ball in harms way.
You also can't tackle a player in the air. Allowing players to hurdle anywhere on the field is stupid.
I'm fine just looking at this act and not comparing it to others.
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@toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
In recent years they've been trying to reduce ways players can be tipped on their head and this appears to be an extension of that. It could cause tacklers to hesitate making a tackle in case they put the player running with the ball in harms way.
You also can't tackle a player in the air. Allowing players to hurdle anywhere on the field is stupid.
I'm fine just looking at this act and not comparing it to others.
I get your logic but it doesn’t match the ruling which is that the act of hurdling is dangerous. Not that you can’t jump into a tackle.
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@bovidae said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
I've seen players dive over a goal-line ruck in attempting to score. If they do that they should be fair game despite being in the air.
And they are, look at all the cool on the sideline dive scores, they're often getting hit mid air. Can't obstruct the ball (unless it's a maul). Can't take a player in the air (unless he's diving for the line). You can't dive over a tackler, but you can over over a pile of bodies not in play
Ps not saying it makes sense
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My understanding of this ridiculous law interpretation is that you can jump out of a tackle (i.e. lift your legs to get out of a tackle) but can't jump into a tackle.
I'm not sure why this is the second and not the first one. he jumps to avoid the tackle, not the other way around. We could see plenty of situations where a player jumps off one leg to avoid a tackle and it could get called back. That would be mental.
The one I remember is Rocky Elsom against Fiji (I think) where he literally jumped over one guy and into another and it was called back but I'm 50% sure it was because he jumped into the second tackler, not jumped the first.
Edit (found it). Fucked if I know.
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@bovidae Ditto all those body contorsions when players bodies are miles over the sideline but still in the air when the miraculously force the ball marginally inside the corner flag. By the letter of the law it would appear that the defender trying to knock the attacker into touch whilst he is diving for the try should be yellow carded and a penalty try awarded. I have no problem with the defender making the move by the way. It is only human nature to try to stop the try being scored despite the player diving horizontally in the air.
