2022 Black Ferns
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I have read the report and do have some sympathy for Moore.
He was seemingly done in by treating amateurs like pros without realising that neither they, nor the management had geared the players up that way.
One of the reasons Bunting has been sucessfull is that he openly recognised that he was the outlier. The male in the female space and went out of his way to have support in place and to have the trust of the players that he understood his limitations in areas.
Like everything that causes conflict communication is the most important thing and when that isn't clear, trusted and understood then problems can fester through misunderstandings.
My guess is that Moore is a decent bloke that wouldn't dream of deliberately hurting anyone but did so through ommission and a failure of his superiors to put the right structures in place.As for the RWC we will still go in way underprepared and with players playing a style from 4 years ago which has been superseded by other countries.
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@canefan said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@crucial funny thing is, he'd been coach for years, won the RWC as well. Covid19 probably didn't help
Glossing over the cracks though. No one else in the world put any effort into Women's Rugby or were just forming seriously so our record was, in part, due to the weakness of others.
But yes, perfect storm brought things to a head. We hadn't been playing at all so development of new players hadn't happened and existing ones had stagnated. I would say that lead to pressure on the coaching staff who resorted to upping the pressure on players, some of whom didn't feel valued because of the poor communication set up with management etc.
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Moore and co have bled plenty of new players the last few years, but they weren't able to test themselves against the rest of the world until last year's Northern Tour. The lack of tests has been a big factor.
NZR also hasn't kept up with developments overseas, particularly England and France in terms of professionalisation.
This year's SR Aupiki was too little, too late.
The contracting of Black Ferns was minimalistic, with players still needing full time or multiple part-time jobs to survive.
That half-hearted approach just doesn't work anymore.Then there's the big difference:
England and France etc, have a six nations. We only have two annual games against Australia (which didn't go ahead during Covid, unlike Bledisloe).This year's Super Series (including USA and Canada) still hasn't been confirmed. Is it going to happen? The USA will be a good opponent, Australia reasonable, but I understand Canada has fallen off the cliff. Maybe they should also include Fijiana, who are on the rise (see also Super W in Australia). This Super Series won't offer opposition as strong as England and France, but it's better than nothing at all. If the Super Series isn't going ahead, they should at least invite Fijiana, to get a three nations tournament, in addition to the two Laurie O'Reilly tests.
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This just in: bringing Smith Henry and Cron into the environment to help sn't right because they are white, male and old.
Frankly, of all the things you could pick on, those three are some of the best rugby brains on the planet. Pair them with up and coming coaches if you want, but criticizing them is crazy
Lack of accountability in Black Ferns saga leaves sour taste
Comment - New Zealand Rugby's Black Ferns review has left a feeling that women's rugby isn't highly valued at all, writes Hamish Bidwell.
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@nzzp said in 2022 Black Ferns:
This just in: bringing Smith Henry and Cron into the environment to help sn't right because they are white, male and old.
Frankly, of all the things you could pick on, those three are some of the best rugby brains on the planet. Pair them with up and coming coaches if you want, but criticizing them is crazy
Lack of accountability in Black Ferns saga leaves sour taste
Comment - New Zealand Rugby's Black Ferns review has left a feeling that women's rugby isn't highly valued at all, writes Hamish Bidwell.
Literally not criticising them, but questioning the tactic - "Again, and I want to stress this, this is no knock on Smith, Henry and Cron. You would struggle to find better rugby men anywhere and their willingness to get involved shows how deeply they care for the game and how much they want New Zealand players to succeed."
Personally I think bringing in high calibre expertise like those three is the only solution this close to the WC. But longer term it's clearly not the answer.
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@marty I read that as criticizing but claiming not to.
Seriously, you can see it as the union throwing their best people at it, or as more white males. Screamed identity politics to me.
My point was there's a lot you can pick on, but adding those three isn't anywhere near the top of the list
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Bidwell's shit article doesn't address the prime issue of who to bring in in place of "old white men". You can either have people with 'the same background and life experiences' or you can have experienced, knowledgeable rugby coaches. It's a national representative team, not a group therapy provider.
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Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side. -
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Official:
Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side.Black Ferns can't complain now, better coaches than the ABs!
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@Machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Official:
Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side.Black Ferns can't complain now, better coaches than the ABs!
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@Machpants and if they can turn that team around and even win the RWC that I assume is Englands to lose, their legendness will grow even more!
